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On the other other hand, Vinyl at least has some upsides. Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless, and physically owning a record is cool/make

by lione 12y ago

On the other other hand, Vinyl at least has some upsides. Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless, and physically owning a record is cool/makes good art/conversation pieces. Windows3.11 would be interesting to check out, but it'd be more like something you'd check out for 20 minutes to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to your modern OS. Vinyl is an experience, most older software is a novelty.

tedks 12y ago
On the other other hand, Windows 3.1 has some upsides. Running Windows 3.1 is an experience, plus it's on DOS, and having a Windows 3.1 install on your laptop is cool/makes good art/conversations pieces. Vinyl would be interesting to listen to once or twice to show off to your friends, but it'd be more like something you'd set up once to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to an iPod. Windows 3.1 is an experience, vinyl is a novelty.
- jerf 12y ago
  I think the closest equivalent to the claim that vinyl is lossless would be that Windows 3.1 is efficient. Well... sure... if you squint hard enough and tune the definition of lossless/efficient properly, sure... but not in an actually relevant manner.
  - tedks 12y ago
    Windows 3.1 is on DOS, so it is lossless. There's no intermediary between any program and any other program. Everything runs in pure, unadulterated Ring 0, raw, unprocessed 16 bits.
- wuliwong 12y ago
  While you are obviously exceedingly clever, you're funny inversion is BS. Vinyl isn't a novelty. It is a small but non-negligible market. In my anecdotal experience, myself and my friends have had record players and have been listening to and buying records for years. The "market" for Windows 3.1 machines in 2015 is microscopic and completely negligible.
- PhasmaFelis 12y ago
  It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.
  - tedks 12y ago
    That can be your opinion, but computer usage is a subjective experience and I'm entitled to my opinion as well. I find Windows 3.1 to be a superior computing experience; it has a charm and novelty about it that later Windows versions haven't been able to duplicate. I find the experience richer and more satisfying. Also, I like having to restart my computer and swap out physical floppy disks -- the tactile sensation and sound of disk access is much more pleasing than modern, silent, sterile SSDs.
    - anonbanker 12y ago
      Your contributions to this thread have been my favorite moments in HN for the past two weeks. Thank you.
      - tedks 12y ago
        You're quite welcome. It was great to have an opportunity to evangelize a subject quite near and dear to me, namely Windows 3.1. Hopefully my comments motivate you to try it out sometime, or do a "bind use test" between it and a modern OS like say Windows 7.
        anonbanker 12y ago
        Installing to a VM as we speak. I plan to compare it to a copy of Yggdrasil Linux I'm installing simultaneously
- PhasmaFelis 12y ago
  It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.
wuliwong 12y ago
I would argue that the vinyl "revolution" is more about the actual qualities of the sound produced vs. digital media than simple nostalgia.
jff 12y ago
> Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless Nope, your record loses information every time you play it, because you're literally rubbing a needle over those tiny little grooves.
- lione 12y ago
  Not lossless then. High quality? IDK. I thought there was something.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
    In terms of accuracy of reproduction, vinyl is just simply not going to do better than a CD. The audiophile community may disagree, but read some of their reviews and articles and you'll see how reliable their analyses are.
  - luos 12y ago
    It is not even that, just some people like the "errors" in the playback. They say it makes it sound warmer.
cbd1984 12y ago
> plus it's lossless Only if you define the vinyl copy to be the primary one, in which case vinyl is lossless by definition. However, if you take a live performance to be primary, vinyl is lossy because it has a reduced dynamic range compared to both live performances and digital technologies. http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Myths_(Vinyl%29 http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Myths_(Vinyl%29 http://www.npr.org/2012/02/10/146697658/why-vinyl-sounds-better-than-cd-or-not http://www.npr.org/2012/02/10/146697658/why-vinyl-sounds-bet... http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-future-of-music http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-future-of-mu...
GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
Vinyl is absolutely not lossless, there's the crackle and hiss, not to mention the fact that the needle digs into the surface as it's played.
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by lione 12y ago

tedks 12y ago

On the other other hand, Windows 3.1 has some upsides. Running Windows 3.1 is an experience, plus it's on DOS, and having a Windows 3.1 install on your laptop is cool/makes good art/conversations pieces. Vinyl would be interesting to listen to once or twice to show off to your friends, but it'd be more like something you'd set up once to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to an iPod. Windows 3.1 is an experience, vinyl is a novelty.

jerf 12y ago
I think the closest equivalent to the claim that vinyl is lossless would be that Windows 3.1 is efficient. Well... sure... if you squint hard enough and tune the definition of lossless/efficient properly, sure... but not in an actually relevant manner.
- tedks 12y ago
  Windows 3.1 is on DOS, so it is lossless. There's no intermediary between any program and any other program. Everything runs in pure, unadulterated Ring 0, raw, unprocessed 16 bits.
wuliwong 12y ago
While you are obviously exceedingly clever, you're funny inversion is BS. Vinyl isn't a novelty. It is a small but non-negligible market. In my anecdotal experience, myself and my friends have had record players and have been listening to and buying records for years. The "market" for Windows 3.1 machines in 2015 is microscopic and completely negligible.
PhasmaFelis 12y ago
It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.
- tedks 12y ago
  That can be your opinion, but computer usage is a subjective experience and I'm entitled to my opinion as well. I find Windows 3.1 to be a superior computing experience; it has a charm and novelty about it that later Windows versions haven't been able to duplicate. I find the experience richer and more satisfying. Also, I like having to restart my computer and swap out physical floppy disks -- the tactile sensation and sound of disk access is much more pleasing than modern, silent, sterile SSDs.
  - anonbanker 12y ago
    Your contributions to this thread have been my favorite moments in HN for the past two weeks. Thank you.
    - tedks 12y ago
      You're quite welcome. It was great to have an opportunity to evangelize a subject quite near and dear to me, namely Windows 3.1. Hopefully my comments motivate you to try it out sometime, or do a "bind use test" between it and a modern OS like say Windows 7.
      - anonbanker 12y ago
        Installing to a VM as we speak. I plan to compare it to a copy of Yggdrasil Linux I'm installing simultaneously
PhasmaFelis 12y ago
It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.

wuliwong 12y ago

I would argue that the vinyl "revolution" is more about the actual qualities of the sound produced vs. digital media than simple nostalgia.

jff 12y ago

> Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless Nope, your record loses information every time you play it, because you're literally rubbing a needle over those tiny little grooves.

lione 12y ago
Not lossless then. High quality? IDK. I thought there was something.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
  In terms of accuracy of reproduction, vinyl is just simply not going to do better than a CD. The audiophile community may disagree, but read some of their reviews and articles and you'll see how reliable their analyses are.
- luos 12y ago
  It is not even that, just some people like the "errors" in the playback. They say it makes it sound warmer.

cbd1984 12y ago

> plus it's lossless Only if you define the vinyl copy to be the primary one, in which case vinyl is lossless by definition. However, if you take a live performance to be primary, vinyl is lossy because it has a reduced dynamic range compared to both live performances and digital technologies. http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Myths_(Vinyl%29 http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Myths_(Vinyl%29 http://www.npr.org/2012/02/10/146697658/why-vinyl-sounds-better-than-cd-or-not http://www.npr.org/2012/02/10/146697658/why-vinyl-sounds-bet... http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-future-of-music http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-future-of-mu...

GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago

Vinyl is absolutely not lossless, there's the crackle and hiss, not to mention the fact that the needle digs into the surface as it's played.

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