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In normal countries freedom of research is written into the constitution. What do use rights and reproduction rights have to do with examining works of enginee

In normal countries freedom of research is written into the constitution. What do use rights and reproduction rights have to do with examining works of engineering, even if they come with copy protection?

pavel_lishin 12y ago
> In normal countries freedom of research is written into the constitution. Can you name some examples?
- HarryHirsch 12y ago
  Germany, article 5: Kunst und Wissenschaft, Forschung und Lehre sind frei.
  - EpicEng 12y ago
    Well, that's one.
  - profsnuggles 12y ago
    Could you elaborate? Especially since I don't speak German I feel that I'm not getting the whole picture from google translate. (1) Everyone has the right freely to express his opinions in speech, writing and pictures and disseminate freely to obtain information from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by radio and motion pictures are guaranteed. Censorship does not take place. (2) These rights are limited by the provisions of the general laws, the provisions for the protection of youth and the right to personal honor. (3) Art and science, research and teaching are free. Freedom of teaching does not absolve from loyalty to the constitution. I assume provision 3 is the one relevant to your comment, but I can't make heads or tails of that translation.
    - HarryHirsch 12y ago
      This is from the German Grundgesetz. You could translate it as "The Arts and the Sciences are free, in practice and in teaching." It's from the section where the constitution defines what the fundamental rights are, it's on the same level as freedom of conscience or freedom of expression. These rights are only constrained by other constitutional rights. Research on human subjects might affect human dignity, you can't do that, but copyright isn't on that level. The High Court defined science as a sustained, methodical effort in pursuit of truth. It's not confined to universities, companies and hobbyists count. That's how German courts read their constitution.

pavel_lishin 12y ago

> In normal countries freedom of research is written into the constitution. Can you name some examples?

HarryHirsch 12y ago
Germany, article 5: Kunst und Wissenschaft, Forschung und Lehre sind frei.
- EpicEng 12y ago
  Well, that's one.
- profsnuggles 12y ago
  Could you elaborate? Especially since I don't speak German I feel that I'm not getting the whole picture from google translate. (1) Everyone has the right freely to express his opinions in speech, writing and pictures and disseminate freely to obtain information from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by radio and motion pictures are guaranteed. Censorship does not take place. (2) These rights are limited by the provisions of the general laws, the provisions for the protection of youth and the right to personal honor. (3) Art and science, research and teaching are free. Freedom of teaching does not absolve from loyalty to the constitution. I assume provision 3 is the one relevant to your comment, but I can't make heads or tails of that translation.
  - HarryHirsch 12y ago
    This is from the German Grundgesetz. You could translate it as "The Arts and the Sciences are free, in practice and in teaching." It's from the section where the constitution defines what the fundamental rights are, it's on the same level as freedom of conscience or freedom of expression. These rights are only constrained by other constitutional rights. Research on human subjects might affect human dignity, you can't do that, but copyright isn't on that level. The High Court defined science as a sustained, methodical effort in pursuit of truth. It's not confined to universities, companies and hobbyists count. That's how German courts read their constitution.