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I don't take anything seriously that tells me to review the "geek feminism" wiki. These "geek feminists" tell people they have to follow a moral code they mak
by zxcvcxz 12y ago
I don't take anything seriously that tells me to review the "geek feminism" wiki.
These "geek feminists" tell people they have to follow a moral code they make up on the spot then when someone says something they deem is "inappropriate" they bully them and accuse them of horrible things that aren't true. This actually happens and isn't debatable.
What I personally really don't like about these people is that they go after open source specifically, which leads me to believe many of them have never worked for a large company but only have experience in the open source sector, which by it's nature allows anyone to participate.
I mean, accusing open source of being intolerant or whatever is like an alien race accusing the human species of being intolerant because they observed that --yes-- when you allow people to live in a society freely some people make decisions others (gasp) disagree with.
These geek feminists should all go close their source and only allow people to work with them who they deems is tolerable. A Big corporation --no matter how progressive they may seem from the outside-- is always going to have someone working for them that says some stupid shit. Look at the racist emails in the wake of the sony leak from some of their top people.
I don't want a monoculture of people pretending to be nice. Blaming open source is just a way to push an agenda.
If this "geek feminist crowd" wants to fork off and do their own thing and base it around being nice to each other then it's just a matter of time until their top devs get exposed for being human and they look like idiots. The geek feminist community seems to contain more assholes than any open source community I've ever been a part of, in fact I've worked with a few feminists who have said some very nasty things about people of a certain color. Unfortunately, the JavaScript crowd seems to have a lot of feminsits and I had the displeasure of working with a JS developer who was a rich white straight male feminist asshole google employee. He would talk about how hard minorities have it on his personal blog and then get on github/irc and treat everyone like shit. Pretty typical geek feminist in my experience.
- comrh 12y agoI really don't think you have a very good handle on what you're railing against. Especially because at the end you conflate diversity in FOSS with criticism of Linus' attitude. This just reads like you have a really big axe to grind against your reading of feminism.
- zxcvcxz 12y agoI'm not the one whose conflating diversity with Linus' attitude, that would be the feminists. edit: please hn, tell me where I'm wrong. My whole point is that making this a matter of diversity is wrong and only done to push a political agenda. It's not Linus who is saying anything against any race or gender. He's being mean and then some people calling themselves "feminists" are coming in and saying "being mean to people is so much harder if you're a minority, so therefore open source is racist". I'm not conflating diversity with anything. Just pointing out that that's what the geek feminists are doing.
- zorpner 12y agoI'll give it a shot -- upthread someone makes the statement It always seems like jerks are better at handling other jerks than non-jerks. Assume for the moment that this is true, then combine it with the ample research revealing that in workplace situations, men are respected for "jerk"-like behavior and women are looked down on for it. Now you have a situation in which being a jerk creates an environment in which women are less likely to succeed. This is a pretty simplistic example, but a good representation of the type of syllogism that can lead you from "abusive/uncivil behavior" to "anti-diversity behavior". Hope this helps!
- zxcvcxz 12y agoSounds like you have to go out of your way to be offended.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago"accusing open source of being intolerant or whatever is like an alien race accusing the human species of being intolerant " Following this analogy implies that women are categorically Outside of the open source community, which I bet is actually what you meant to say.
- zxcvcxz 12y agoSo now I'm a misogynist? Thanks for proving my whole point.