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Sigh... don't these people understand that the good crypto will just go underground there's no preventing or controlling it. Then all the bad guys will have go

by Fuxy 12y ago

Sigh... don't these people understand that the good crypto will just go underground there's no preventing or controlling it. Then all the bad guys will have good crypto and all the average people and organizations will have hacked crypto used by bad guys to monitor and exploit organizations and people. This is so stupid it hurts my head.

jameskilton 12y ago
The idea that there's something in the world they can't control is anathema to their entire existence. If it's there, they will attempt control.
dogma1138 12y ago
the problem is that really good crypto will never be able to go underground. The amount of work that is needed to actually build a good crypto system is enormous, even when you rely on completely open and well understood standards it is still a task that only a handful of community projects can tackle, and even those usually tend to mock it up quite badly and quite often. When you get to a point where not even the standards can be trusted you wont have underground crypto, at best couple of math geeks thinking they are smart enough to design their own encryption. The easiest thing to do is to design encryption you yourself cannot break, but encryption that is actually hard to break is a completely different story. And that's again before you go into designing the actual cryptosystem which is as mentioned before a completely different can of worms. On top of that add the actual and real possibility of export restrictions reappearing on crypto as they were enforced by US Government pre 2000's(The laws in place were never actually removed, weavers and permits just were given by default). Meaning that development and even implementation of non approved cryptographic protocols can be penalized by law and you pretty much reduce the chance of community driven encryption of being realized to pretty much nothing.

by Fuxy 12y ago

jameskilton 12y ago

The idea that there's something in the world they can't control is anathema to their entire existence. If it's there, they will attempt control.

dogma1138 12y ago

the problem is that really good crypto will never be able to go underground. The amount of work that is needed to actually build a good crypto system is enormous, even when you rely on completely open and well understood standards it is still a task that only a handful of community projects can tackle, and even those usually tend to mock it up quite badly and quite often. When you get to a point where not even the standards can be trusted you wont have underground crypto, at best couple of math geeks thinking they are smart enough to design their own encryption. The easiest thing to do is to design encryption you yourself cannot break, but encryption that is actually hard to break is a completely different story. And that's again before you go into designing the actual cryptosystem which is as mentioned before a completely different can of worms. On top of that add the actual and real possibility of export restrictions reappearing on crypto as they were enforced by US Government pre 2000's(The laws in place were never actually removed, weavers and permits just were given by default). Meaning that development and even implementation of non approved cryptographic protocols can be penalized by law and you pretty much reduce the chance of community driven encryption of being realized to pretty much nothing.