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Honestly, you don't sound that reasonable. EPA, NYC, HSS are not "The Government", they are different entities with different roles and goals. Perhaps someone l

by cedsav 17y ago

Honestly, you don't sound that reasonable. EPA, NYC, HSS are not "The Government", they are different entities with different roles and goals. Perhaps someone lied about the air at ground zero (I don't know the facts, is that even proven?), but how is that related to the decisions made by the HSS? You're claiming that there's a pattern, but it doesn't make any sense. The US government lied about the Tonkin incident, therefore the Nasa never landed on the moon?

Alex3917 17y ago
"The US government lied about the Tonkin incident, therefore the Nasa never landed on the moon?" I believe NASA landed on the moon because I've thought about it for myself. I don't automatically believe it because the government said it happened. If the data says the the H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective then I'll get it, but I'm not going to put something into my body just because Donald Rumsfeld or whoever says its a good idea. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't abdicate your thinking to someone else, especially when they may have an incentive to mislead you.
- nollidge 17y ago
  If the data says the the H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective then I'll get it Well, the data do say the H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective. Discussing anything else is a red herring.
  - Alex3917 17y ago
    What about discussing whether the data is real or fraudulent (Like the EPA data on mercury)?
    - nollidge 17y ago
      Well, go ahead and make your specific, reasoned, and well-evidenced accusations. That's still a discussion about the data. Or did you just want to throw up FUDdy innuendo?
      - Alex3917 17y ago
        FUD is exactly the right way to approach this issue. Have you ever read RFK's article about the autism vaccine link in Rolling Stone? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_im... I've seen a lot of evidence since then saying the autism-vaccine link isn't true, but I've seen zero evidence saying that the cover up that RFK wrote about didn't actually occur. How are you supposed to make an educated decision when the head of the CDC goes on record saying they are hiding safety information from the public.

by cedsav 17y ago

Alex3917 17y ago

"The US government lied about the Tonkin incident, therefore the Nasa never landed on the moon?" I believe NASA landed on the moon because I've thought about it for myself. I don't automatically believe it because the government said it happened. If the data says the the H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective then I'll get it, but I'm not going to put something into my body just because Donald Rumsfeld or whoever says its a good idea. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't abdicate your thinking to someone else, especially when they may have an incentive to mislead you.

nollidge 17y ago
If the data says the the H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective then I'll get it Well, the data do say the H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective. Discussing anything else is a red herring.
- Alex3917 17y ago
  What about discussing whether the data is real or fraudulent (Like the EPA data on mercury)?
  - nollidge 17y ago
    Well, go ahead and make your specific, reasoned, and well-evidenced accusations. That's still a discussion about the data. Or did you just want to throw up FUDdy innuendo?
    - Alex3917 17y ago
      FUD is exactly the right way to approach this issue. Have you ever read RFK's article about the autism vaccine link in Rolling Stone? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_im... I've seen a lot of evidence since then saying the autism-vaccine link isn't true, but I've seen zero evidence saying that the cover up that RFK wrote about didn't actually occur. How are you supposed to make an educated decision when the head of the CDC goes on record saying they are hiding safety information from the public.