> It would seem to me that something is either physical or metaphysical. Yes, I meant that it's a metaphysical thing. > Not once in the entire history of huma

> It would seem to me that something is either physical or metaphysical. Yes, I meant that it's a metaphysical thing. > Not once in the entire history of human inquiry has something turned out to be provably "because magic". Lightning was not Zeus having a fit, plagues were not the vengeance of the gods, birth defects are not the disdain of our ancestors, and humanity did not get created from clay. Which is why people find it hard to accept the idea of consciousness not being physical. > The scenario you put forward is the "Chinese Room" argument Perhaps there are some similarities, but it's a different argument. > You ask questions such as "are we creating 100% real pain", while not describing exactly what IS pain? Good point. How would you define consciousness? I define it simply as my current feelings, perceptions, thoughts, etc. By this definition, only one consciousness exists. Consciousness is the only thing one can be sure about. When I feel pain, it's a non-disputable fact that I have this unpleasant feeling. But I can't be sure about anything else, for example the physical laws (they can change tomorrow). Or you can wake up from a Matrix - actually absolutely anything can happen. How would I define pain – it's sort of a axiom (not sure how to express myself here) and it's subjective. Objective definition that would allow you to test if someone is feeling pain doesn't exist (or it would describe something else than the feeling of pain). Similarly, physics is simply unable to define consciusnes, it's out of the scope of physics.