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Call me stubborn, but I just can't see going back to windows after switching to os x. People complain about bugs a lot lately, but I haven't experienced any. Wi

by CardenB 12y ago

Call me stubborn, but I just can't see going back to windows after switching to os x. People complain about bugs a lot lately, but I haven't experienced any. Windows just feels like an uphill battle to do everything I want to these days. I feel like a start button and multiple workspaces won't really change that. However, I'm all for new tech so I want there to be room for everyone. I'm excited to see the future of windows.

amalag 12y ago
I am also completely spoiled by Mac's now. I don't know how I could go back, especially the trackpad.
- fluidcruft 12y ago
  Well, I know it's unpopular, but I could never manage the transition from Linux to MacOS (and this from someone that was excited about OpenSTEP returning to the limelight). Way too much effort required to work around idiotic design decisions and iFads and central policy forced down my throat and outdated userland and broken Motif. Life is just so much easier on debian/ubuntu even with a windows sidekick VM for when absolutely necessary. And honestly, I like the direction Windows has been going overall when forced to use it. It at least seems to be getting lower maintenance. Not the "run it from a live-cd" sort of low maintenance, but still getting closer.
  - ftfish 12y ago
    "I could never manage the transition from Linux to MacOS" I feel the same way. I recently started using a MacBook at work. It's a mid-2014 MacBook Pro w/Retina display and there is a lot I like about using it. But it seems rather hostile to developers. The keyboard shortcuts don't make a lot of sense -- most of it really is just about what I'm used to, but for example ⌘+SHIFT+3/4 to take a screenshot? And the CTRL+SHIFT+POWER KEY combination to lock the screen is a very odd choice. ⌘+C and ⌘+V work on files/folders, but not ⌘+X? I only had to setup MAMP here so far, but it wasn't quite as smooth as LAMP on my Ubuntu machine. I am in the market for a new laptop -- I considered everything from Chromebooks to even getting my own MacBook. But I keep going back to a Ubuntu/Windows dual-boot setup. There are just too many little annoyances with OSX for me.
- slantyyz 12y ago
  I'm probably in the minority, but while I hate Apple's trackpad less than the ones on its competitors, I still hate it. I constantly struggle with right clicking items on Apple trackpads (and the PC trackpads that attempt to copy Apple's). I would prefer to have two distinct buttons below the pad. To me, the new trend of pivoting pads as buttons don't work for my clumsy hands.
interdrift 12y ago
Depends on what Microsoft will put on the table ;)
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revscat 12y ago
So long as OS X has the unix-y goodness underneath it, I can't imagine switching back, either. I hope Windows continues to improve, but I can't imagine choosing to use it again.
- scardine 12y ago
  GoW + ConEmu make Windows 8 acceptable for me.
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  This is the killer for me as well, unless Windows somehow becomes POSIX compliant I just don't see me switching back.
  - ksk 12y ago
    Windows has been POSIX compliant for about 20 years.
    - RadioactiveMan 12y ago
      Could you elaborate? In what I've learned (in the past few minutes) it looks like it hasn't has POSIX compatibility since an optional subsystem up to Windows 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX_for_Windows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX_for_Windows
      - ksk 12y ago
        Elaborate on what? You have to purchase a version of Windows that has the POSIX layer because POSIX compliance costs money. From what I gather it has been dropped in Windows 8.1.
    - agildehaus 12y ago
      Services for UNIX has always been optional, was depreciated in 8.0 (and only available for Enterprise SKUs), and removed entirely in 8.1. Modern Windows is decidedly not POSIX-compliant.
berberous 12y ago
Agreed. I recently started using Windows 7 Enterprise for work, and I'm surprised at how often I need to reboot to make things work or to avoid slowdowns. Granted, that's usually due to Adobe and Java hanging, but even killing those processes in task manager won't fix it. Maybe there's a better solution, but I just reboot. I don't think I've ever had to reboot OS X for similar reasons.
- moystard 12y ago
  I am an OSX user primarily but I have never seen this kind of behaviour on any of my Windows installation. There is something wrong in what you describe.
- cwbrandsma 12y ago
  I've been running on a Mac for the last 2 years, after 20'ish years of Windows work. At this point I'm 50/50. There are things I HATE about both system. * Window management in OSX is a complete joke (docking and sizing), I've lost all faith that Apple will ever get that right. * The shell and terminal support is better in OSX (yes, powershell is there, but not by default, and the standard DOS shell sucks) * I have to reboot both systems once a month to keep them working. Others disagree here, but I find OSX no more stable than Windows. * OSX Sound Drivers (WTF! -- I constantly lose sound support on my MacBook Pro) * Microsoft is much faster at fixing issues than Apple (I have a bunch of long standing OSX bugs that span multiple versions, and a couple of new ones with the current release) * I no longer feel the love for Apple hardware. Every iteration is made harder to upgrade than the last. * The Apple App Store is so much better than Microsoft's Store. * Safari is IE: they are both browsers you should only use to download a better browser.
  - ashark 12y ago
    >Safari is IE: they are both browsers you should only use to download a better browser. Safari's great for battery life. I've switched from Chrome for that reason. Judging from the system-wide beachballs and frequent fan spin-ups for no obvious reason back when I used Firefox, I assume it would be even worse than Chrome. Its developer tools aren't that different from Chrome's, either, and it's got a decent selection of plugins. I have Chrome installed and occasionally use it, but close it ASAP.
antr 12y ago
Back in 2010 I gave my dad the basic Macbook Air as a xmas present. Until then he was working on decent Dell laptop, but after seeing how much he struggled when trying to do basic stuff (e.g. connecting to a wifi network, browsing the web with a PC full of adware, etc) I decided to get him a Mac. I can't say how many times he has told everyone how much he likes Macs... and at the end of the day, it's all thanks to OSX's (most of the time) small and polished UX details. He, for sure, won't be going back to Windows. Still, I can't wait to see Windows do a comeback... I don't know if W10 will be the answer, but I sure hope they make a come back for consumers' sake.
mark_l_watson 12y ago
I mostly use OS X also. That said, last week I bought a "signature edition" HP Stremm 11" directly from Microsoft (so no crapware was pre-installed). I spent $200 for this mostly just to play around with Windows 8.1 out of curiosity. I was surprised how much I liked it. I installed Chrome, and boom, my browsing environment was set up. I installed SSH, GPG, git, IntelliJ, Java 8, and Pharo Smalltalk and I was all set up for Clojure and Smalltalk development. The only complaint I have is that this very low end laptop is not very fast, even with the SSD disk. When my MacBook Air dies in the future, it is possible that I will get a higher performance Windows 10 laptop. edit: I have been feeling more warmly towards Microsoft lately because I am in their BizSpark program (free Linux servers for 3 years! Yeah!) and recently switched from Dropbox to Office 365 (for the same $100/year, both my wife and I get 1 terrabyte of cloud storage, and all of the Office if we want it).
sz4kerto 12y ago
I really wanted to love OSX, but never could. I run Linux + Windows on my Macbook Pro -- Linux is a better and more open *nix, and Windows is just way faster and more stable in general than anything else (at least that's my experience), especially when it comes to anything graphics intensive (graphics drivers are really-really bad on OSX). Obviously web devs see it in a different way, and I can understand that. But if you know Powershell well, then Windows can be quite convenient. For development my choice is either Windows + VS or Linux + whatever. OSX is a nice middle ground though, it's just not for me.
- wvenable 12y ago
  I feel the same way actually, but I realize that my opinion on this isn't mainstream. Using OS X has always been an exercise in frustration for me. Outside of the "real" shell the entire UI doesn't seem to be designed for software professionals. Ironically, the more that Windows tries to be like OS X the less I like it. Thankfully, it's still possible to turn much of that stuff off.
  - moogleii 12y ago
    I don't really feel like Metro is going towards OS X at all, they seem to be strongly going their own way. >Outside of the "real" shell the entire UI doesn't seem to be designed for software professionals Interesting, any specific examples? I'm genuinely curious. For me, the more I use OSX, the more I'm frustrated with Windows. The one thing I do miss from Windows is better full screen support. Yosemite kinda helped with that (but it's still kinda clunky). Other than that, I feel like there's a little more logic behind OSX with common operations, off the top of my head: Option/alt to modify existing commands. The keyboard kungfu on OSX seems easier on the hands, too, since the combos typically rely on thumb keys vs a Windows pinky reach of Ctrl. Especially noticeable because the thumbs seem pretty underutilized vs pinkies, which already have plenty of keyboard duties. File renaming: "Enter" to rename a file vs "F2" (something I happily accepted as random dogma, but now it's "??") Folder/file nav: unified drill down in the file browser (cmd+up/down to navigate levels, with the file level simply opening the file, vs arrow keys, then enter to open) Window management: being able to close all windows without exiting the app itself (handy when I'm clearing clutter but I don't want to pay a cost for restarting a big application, or if I simply just didn't realize it was the last window when I closed it, and now I have to relaunch the application) *Scrolling: Being able to scroll any window whether or not it's the active application, so long as the mouse cursor is hovering over content. Not to say everything is more logical, just common things I do. The screen capture shortcut is totally bizarre to me, I have to google it every time.
abandonliberty 12y ago
I think a lot of that is switching cost, and that both OSs are pretty similar now. My recent experience on OS X: - Couldn't find an easy way to get windows side by side[0] - Installed a program, but it just kept crashing on launch until I rebooted the computer - Challenging to figure out how to get Finder to actually show you the drive contents [0] http://www.howtogeek.com/181681/4-hidden-window-management-tricks-on-the-windows-desktop/ http://www.howtogeek.com/181681/4-hidden-window-management-t...
- moystard 12y ago
  Finder has always been disappointing in my opinion. Regarding the two windows side by side, you should have Spectacle a go, it works wonder, but the feature is indeed not included in OSX. I have always found the way OSX manages windows to be confusing, and the new fullscreen behaviour does not help (I know alt clicking the full screen button shows the previous behaviour but still...)
- moystard 12y ago
  Finder has always been disappointing in my opinion. Regarding the two windows side by side, you should have Spectacle a go, it works wonder, but the feature is indeed not included in OSX. I have always found the way OSX manages windows to be confusing, and the new fullscreen behaviour does not help (I know alt clicking the full screen button shows the previous behaviour but still...)
- ronyeh 12y ago
  I use http://www.bettertouchtool.net http://www.bettertouchtool.net for window snapping (among other features).
- t0mbstone 12y ago
  I use a tool called "moom" for window management. Gives me the ability to snap windows to edges of the screen (like Win 7 does), plus the ability to snap-size windows to a grid. Can't use OSX without it.
  - zachberger 12y ago
josefresco 12y ago
"Windows just feels like an uphill battle to do everything I want to these days" For example... For those of us who actually use Windows for work (and not just write about it) the start button was an issue for all of 10 seconds. I actually appreciate the new start menu approach. Instead of a "dumping ground" of icons, there's significantly less clutter, and a cleaner interface. Can't say I use my start menu much, as most of my commonly used applications are launched from the taskbar (pinned).
- tracker1 12y ago
  Personally, I just installed ClassicShell and never looked back.
- fluidcruft 12y ago
  As an infrequent Windows user, I also don't bother with the start menu anymore... My goto is the prominent search (even in the Windows 7 start menu). The only time I like the menu us when I can't remember the specific name of an app and I need to look at the list of names or icons to trigger my memory (which is rare). Otherwise search is so much superior than hunting around with a mouse trying to remember whether a certain app is sorted by name or company or finding where a setting is hidden. It used to bother me when control panel settings moved, but with search honestly who cares? It's not like we use yahoo's directory or dmoz anymore to browse the web...
krylon 12y ago
I like OS X - I got a MacMini ~15 months ago, and despite my plan to install Debian, I still haven't. But it does crash on me every ~6 weeks. A - halfway - modern operating system should not crash, unless the hardware is faulty. I really like badmouthing Windows, But my work laptop running Windows 7 has crashed only two or three times in nearly two years. Also, as a former GNU/Linux user, I am unhappy about the poor integration of X11. Cygwin's X server is a lot smoother in that regard. (Let me repeat, I do like OS X, and yes, Windows has plenty of things I intensely dislike, which is why I do not use it on my private computers.)
- munificent 12y ago
  > But it does crash on me every ~6 weeks. A - halfway - modern operating system should not crash, unless the hardware is faulty. Obvious follow-up question: are you sure your hardware isn't faulty?
  - krylon 12y ago
    Let's say I am confident, but not 100% sure. I found an app a couple of months back that lets me monitor the CPU temperature and adjust the fan speed (at least the minimum fan speed) - I upped it from 1800rpm to 4000rpm (above 4000, it gets noisy), and crashes have become somewhat less common. So maybe it was just a heat problem. But I did notice that most crashes happened when I was trying to watch something on YouTube, so it could also be a problem with Flash or the graphics driver. (Then again, YouTube has worked fine for me recently, so maybe it really was a heating/cooling problem.)
pjmlp 12y ago
I will consider a Mac the day Apple wants to sell me a CPU/GPU combo I want to buy, at a price it makes sense.
- CardenB 12y ago
  This has honestly been my biggest overall frustration with Apple since I began using their products. I've got a hackintosh, but it's been a nightmare to setup and maintain. It's currently out of commission because Yosemite broke iMessage and I would rather not switch back to Mavericks.

by CardenB 12y ago

amalag 12y ago

I am also completely spoiled by Mac's now. I don't know how I could go back, especially the trackpad.

fluidcruft 12y ago
Well, I know it's unpopular, but I could never manage the transition from Linux to MacOS (and this from someone that was excited about OpenSTEP returning to the limelight). Way too much effort required to work around idiotic design decisions and iFads and central policy forced down my throat and outdated userland and broken Motif. Life is just so much easier on debian/ubuntu even with a windows sidekick VM for when absolutely necessary. And honestly, I like the direction Windows has been going overall when forced to use it. It at least seems to be getting lower maintenance. Not the "run it from a live-cd" sort of low maintenance, but still getting closer.
- ftfish 12y ago
  "I could never manage the transition from Linux to MacOS" I feel the same way. I recently started using a MacBook at work. It's a mid-2014 MacBook Pro w/Retina display and there is a lot I like about using it. But it seems rather hostile to developers. The keyboard shortcuts don't make a lot of sense -- most of it really is just about what I'm used to, but for example ⌘+SHIFT+3/4 to take a screenshot? And the CTRL+SHIFT+POWER KEY combination to lock the screen is a very odd choice. ⌘+C and ⌘+V work on files/folders, but not ⌘+X? I only had to setup MAMP here so far, but it wasn't quite as smooth as LAMP on my Ubuntu machine. I am in the market for a new laptop -- I considered everything from Chromebooks to even getting my own MacBook. But I keep going back to a Ubuntu/Windows dual-boot setup. There are just too many little annoyances with OSX for me.
slantyyz 12y ago
I'm probably in the minority, but while I hate Apple's trackpad less than the ones on its competitors, I still hate it. I constantly struggle with right clicking items on Apple trackpads (and the PC trackpads that attempt to copy Apple's). I would prefer to have two distinct buttons below the pad. To me, the new trend of pivoting pads as buttons don't work for my clumsy hands.

interdrift 12y ago

Depends on what Microsoft will put on the table ;)

deleted 12y ago
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revscat 12y ago

So long as OS X has the unix-y goodness underneath it, I can't imagine switching back, either. I hope Windows continues to improve, but I can't imagine choosing to use it again.

scardine 12y ago
GoW + ConEmu make Windows 8 acceptable for me.
Igglyboo 12y ago
This is the killer for me as well, unless Windows somehow becomes POSIX compliant I just don't see me switching back.
- ksk 12y ago
  Windows has been POSIX compliant for about 20 years.
  - RadioactiveMan 12y ago
    Could you elaborate? In what I've learned (in the past few minutes) it looks like it hasn't has POSIX compatibility since an optional subsystem up to Windows 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX_for_Windows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX_for_Windows
    - ksk 12y ago
      Elaborate on what? You have to purchase a version of Windows that has the POSIX layer because POSIX compliance costs money. From what I gather it has been dropped in Windows 8.1.
  - agildehaus 12y ago
    Services for UNIX has always been optional, was depreciated in 8.0 (and only available for Enterprise SKUs), and removed entirely in 8.1. Modern Windows is decidedly not POSIX-compliant.

berberous 12y ago

Agreed. I recently started using Windows 7 Enterprise for work, and I'm surprised at how often I need to reboot to make things work or to avoid slowdowns. Granted, that's usually due to Adobe and Java hanging, but even killing those processes in task manager won't fix it. Maybe there's a better solution, but I just reboot. I don't think I've ever had to reboot OS X for similar reasons.

moystard 12y ago
I am an OSX user primarily but I have never seen this kind of behaviour on any of my Windows installation. There is something wrong in what you describe.
cwbrandsma 12y ago
I've been running on a Mac for the last 2 years, after 20'ish years of Windows work. At this point I'm 50/50. There are things I HATE about both system. * Window management in OSX is a complete joke (docking and sizing), I've lost all faith that Apple will ever get that right. * The shell and terminal support is better in OSX (yes, powershell is there, but not by default, and the standard DOS shell sucks) * I have to reboot both systems once a month to keep them working. Others disagree here, but I find OSX no more stable than Windows. * OSX Sound Drivers (WTF! -- I constantly lose sound support on my MacBook Pro) * Microsoft is much faster at fixing issues than Apple (I have a bunch of long standing OSX bugs that span multiple versions, and a couple of new ones with the current release) * I no longer feel the love for Apple hardware. Every iteration is made harder to upgrade than the last. * The Apple App Store is so much better than Microsoft's Store. * Safari is IE: they are both browsers you should only use to download a better browser.
- ashark 12y ago
  >Safari is IE: they are both browsers you should only use to download a better browser. Safari's great for battery life. I've switched from Chrome for that reason. Judging from the system-wide beachballs and frequent fan spin-ups for no obvious reason back when I used Firefox, I assume it would be even worse than Chrome. Its developer tools aren't that different from Chrome's, either, and it's got a decent selection of plugins. I have Chrome installed and occasionally use it, but close it ASAP.

antr 12y ago

Back in 2010 I gave my dad the basic Macbook Air as a xmas present. Until then he was working on decent Dell laptop, but after seeing how much he struggled when trying to do basic stuff (e.g. connecting to a wifi network, browsing the web with a PC full of adware, etc) I decided to get him a Mac. I can't say how many times he has told everyone how much he likes Macs... and at the end of the day, it's all thanks to OSX's (most of the time) small and polished UX details. He, for sure, won't be going back to Windows. Still, I can't wait to see Windows do a comeback... I don't know if W10 will be the answer, but I sure hope they make a come back for consumers' sake.

mark_l_watson 12y ago

I mostly use OS X also. That said, last week I bought a "signature edition" HP Stremm 11" directly from Microsoft (so no crapware was pre-installed). I spent $200 for this mostly just to play around with Windows 8.1 out of curiosity. I was surprised how much I liked it. I installed Chrome, and boom, my browsing environment was set up. I installed SSH, GPG, git, IntelliJ, Java 8, and Pharo Smalltalk and I was all set up for Clojure and Smalltalk development. The only complaint I have is that this very low end laptop is not very fast, even with the SSD disk. When my MacBook Air dies in the future, it is possible that I will get a higher performance Windows 10 laptop. edit: I have been feeling more warmly towards Microsoft lately because I am in their BizSpark program (free Linux servers for 3 years! Yeah!) and recently switched from Dropbox to Office 365 (for the same $100/year, both my wife and I get 1 terrabyte of cloud storage, and all of the Office if we want it).

sz4kerto 12y ago

I really wanted to love OSX, but never could. I run Linux + Windows on my Macbook Pro -- Linux is a better and more open *nix, and Windows is just way faster and more stable in general than anything else (at least that's my experience), especially when it comes to anything graphics intensive (graphics drivers are really-really bad on OSX). Obviously web devs see it in a different way, and I can understand that. But if you know Powershell well, then Windows can be quite convenient. For development my choice is either Windows + VS or Linux + whatever. OSX is a nice middle ground though, it's just not for me.

wvenable 12y ago
I feel the same way actually, but I realize that my opinion on this isn't mainstream. Using OS X has always been an exercise in frustration for me. Outside of the "real" shell the entire UI doesn't seem to be designed for software professionals. Ironically, the more that Windows tries to be like OS X the less I like it. Thankfully, it's still possible to turn much of that stuff off.
- moogleii 12y ago
  I don't really feel like Metro is going towards OS X at all, they seem to be strongly going their own way. >Outside of the "real" shell the entire UI doesn't seem to be designed for software professionals Interesting, any specific examples? I'm genuinely curious. For me, the more I use OSX, the more I'm frustrated with Windows. The one thing I do miss from Windows is better full screen support. Yosemite kinda helped with that (but it's still kinda clunky). Other than that, I feel like there's a little more logic behind OSX with common operations, off the top of my head: Option/alt to modify existing commands. The keyboard kungfu on OSX seems easier on the hands, too, since the combos typically rely on thumb keys vs a Windows pinky reach of Ctrl. Especially noticeable because the thumbs seem pretty underutilized vs pinkies, which already have plenty of keyboard duties. File renaming: "Enter" to rename a file vs "F2" (something I happily accepted as random dogma, but now it's "??") Folder/file nav: unified drill down in the file browser (cmd+up/down to navigate levels, with the file level simply opening the file, vs arrow keys, then enter to open) Window management: being able to close all windows without exiting the app itself (handy when I'm clearing clutter but I don't want to pay a cost for restarting a big application, or if I simply just didn't realize it was the last window when I closed it, and now I have to relaunch the application) *Scrolling: Being able to scroll any window whether or not it's the active application, so long as the mouse cursor is hovering over content. Not to say everything is more logical, just common things I do. The screen capture shortcut is totally bizarre to me, I have to google it every time.

abandonliberty 12y ago

I think a lot of that is switching cost, and that both OSs are pretty similar now. My recent experience on OS X: - Couldn't find an easy way to get windows side by side[0] - Installed a program, but it just kept crashing on launch until I rebooted the computer - Challenging to figure out how to get Finder to actually show you the drive contents [0] http://www.howtogeek.com/181681/4-hidden-window-management-tricks-on-the-windows-desktop/ http://www.howtogeek.com/181681/4-hidden-window-management-t...

moystard 12y ago
Finder has always been disappointing in my opinion. Regarding the two windows side by side, you should have Spectacle a go, it works wonder, but the feature is indeed not included in OSX. I have always found the way OSX manages windows to be confusing, and the new fullscreen behaviour does not help (I know alt clicking the full screen button shows the previous behaviour but still...)
moystard 12y ago
Finder has always been disappointing in my opinion. Regarding the two windows side by side, you should have Spectacle a go, it works wonder, but the feature is indeed not included in OSX. I have always found the way OSX manages windows to be confusing, and the new fullscreen behaviour does not help (I know alt clicking the full screen button shows the previous behaviour but still...)
ronyeh 12y ago
I use http://www.bettertouchtool.net http://www.bettertouchtool.net for window snapping (among other features).
t0mbstone 12y ago
I use a tool called "moom" for window management. Gives me the ability to snap windows to edges of the screen (like Win 7 does), plus the ability to snap-size windows to a grid. Can't use OSX without it.
- zachberger 12y ago

josefresco 12y ago

"Windows just feels like an uphill battle to do everything I want to these days" For example... For those of us who actually use Windows for work (and not just write about it) the start button was an issue for all of 10 seconds. I actually appreciate the new start menu approach. Instead of a "dumping ground" of icons, there's significantly less clutter, and a cleaner interface. Can't say I use my start menu much, as most of my commonly used applications are launched from the taskbar (pinned).

tracker1 12y ago
Personally, I just installed ClassicShell and never looked back.
fluidcruft 12y ago
As an infrequent Windows user, I also don't bother with the start menu anymore... My goto is the prominent search (even in the Windows 7 start menu). The only time I like the menu us when I can't remember the specific name of an app and I need to look at the list of names or icons to trigger my memory (which is rare). Otherwise search is so much superior than hunting around with a mouse trying to remember whether a certain app is sorted by name or company or finding where a setting is hidden. It used to bother me when control panel settings moved, but with search honestly who cares? It's not like we use yahoo's directory or dmoz anymore to browse the web...

krylon 12y ago

I like OS X - I got a MacMini ~15 months ago, and despite my plan to install Debian, I still haven't. But it does crash on me every ~6 weeks. A - halfway - modern operating system should not crash, unless the hardware is faulty. I really like badmouthing Windows, But my work laptop running Windows 7 has crashed only two or three times in nearly two years. Also, as a former GNU/Linux user, I am unhappy about the poor integration of X11. Cygwin's X server is a lot smoother in that regard. (Let me repeat, I do like OS X, and yes, Windows has plenty of things I intensely dislike, which is why I do not use it on my private computers.)

munificent 12y ago
> But it does crash on me every ~6 weeks. A - halfway - modern operating system should not crash, unless the hardware is faulty. Obvious follow-up question: are you sure your hardware isn't faulty?
- krylon 12y ago
  Let's say I am confident, but not 100% sure. I found an app a couple of months back that lets me monitor the CPU temperature and adjust the fan speed (at least the minimum fan speed) - I upped it from 1800rpm to 4000rpm (above 4000, it gets noisy), and crashes have become somewhat less common. So maybe it was just a heat problem. But I did notice that most crashes happened when I was trying to watch something on YouTube, so it could also be a problem with Flash or the graphics driver. (Then again, YouTube has worked fine for me recently, so maybe it really was a heating/cooling problem.)

pjmlp 12y ago

I will consider a Mac the day Apple wants to sell me a CPU/GPU combo I want to buy, at a price it makes sense.

CardenB 12y ago
This has honestly been my biggest overall frustration with Apple since I began using their products. I've got a hackintosh, but it's been a nightmare to setup and maintain. It's currently out of commission because Yosemite broke iMessage and I would rather not switch back to Mavericks.