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Windows 10: The Next Chapter [video]
- kpeel 12y agoFree update to Windows 10 for anyone running Windows 7, Windows 8, or Windows Phone 8.1. Awesome.
- burn 12y agoThis is definitely an interesting announcement. I'm happy that they are offering free upgrades to all users 7.1 and up. I believe this is a really smart move.
- CardenB 12y agoCall me stubborn, but I just can't see going back to windows after switching to os x. People complain about bugs a lot lately, but I haven't experienced any. Windows just feels like an uphill battle to do everything I want to these days. I feel like a start button and multiple workspaces won't really change that. However, I'm all for new tech so I want there to be room for everyone. I'm excited to see the future of windows.
- amalag 12y agoI am also completely spoiled by Mac's now. I don't know how I could go back, especially the trackpad.
- fluidcruft 12y agoWell, I know it's unpopular, but I could never manage the transition from Linux to MacOS (and this from someone that was excited about OpenSTEP returning to the limelight). Way too much effort required to work around idiotic design decisions and iFads and central policy forced down my throat and outdated userland and broken Motif. Life is just so much easier on debian/ubuntu even with a windows sidekick VM for when absolutely necessary. And honestly, I like the direction Windows has been going overall when forced to use it. It at least seems to be getting lower maintenance. Not the "run it from a live-cd" sort of low maintenance, but still getting closer.
- ftfish 12y ago"I could never manage the transition from Linux to MacOS" I feel the same way. I recently started using a MacBook at work. It's a mid-2014 MacBook Pro w/Retina display and there is a lot I like about using it. But it seems rather hostile to developers. The keyboard shortcuts don't make a lot of sense -- most of it really is just about what I'm used to, but for example ⌘+SHIFT+3/4 to take a screenshot? And the CTRL+SHIFT+POWER KEY combination to lock the screen is a very odd choice. ⌘+C and ⌘+V work on files/folders, but not ⌘+X? I only had to setup MAMP here so far, but it wasn't quite as smooth as LAMP on my Ubuntu machine. I am in the market for a new laptop -- I considered everything from Chromebooks to even getting my own MacBook. But I keep going back to a Ubuntu/Windows dual-boot setup. There are just too many little annoyances with OSX for me.
- slantyyz 12y agoI'm probably in the minority, but while I hate Apple's trackpad less than the ones on its competitors, I still hate it. I constantly struggle with right clicking items on Apple trackpads (and the PC trackpads that attempt to copy Apple's). I would prefer to have two distinct buttons below the pad. To me, the new trend of pivoting pads as buttons don't work for my clumsy hands.
- CmonDev 12y agoOriginal thread:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8922578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8922578
- dandare 12y agoI recently switched to Mac after two decades on Win simply because decent Win ultrabook costs 50% more than comparable MacBook Pro. In other words it's not only software problem that Microsoft is facing.
- maxxxxx 12y agoSame here. Microsoft would have to deliver a phenomenal OS for me to switch back.
- jpetersonmn 12y agoThis is exactly my situation too. When it was time for a new laptop, the windows machines with nice screens were way more than a MacBook pro. So far I can't say I'm in love with it. I don't think it's as stable as my windows 7 computers are that I work on for my dayjob. (I can't even remember the last time I needed to reboot or froze up on my windows 7 boxes.)
- Igglyboo 12y agoHiDPi support is also a second class citizen on Windows. Many applications are still designed for 1080p and under, Linux is even worse. OS X seems to get it mostly right.
- wlesieutre 12y agoIt's even worse if you have one normal resolution screen and one high. I want my primary screen to be the 1080p one (because that's where games run), so Windows renders things on the 4K screen at normal resolution and upscales them. It looks baaad.
- nhayden 12y agoIf screen is your main concern, Yoga Pro 2 has a nearly 4k screen and is under $1000.
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- fishercs 12y agoSeems to be quite a bit of buffering on my 100 meg connection, anyone else having issues watching this?
- _almosnow 12y agoSame, not 100 meg, but should be more than enough. Also, you can see how big an influence was Steve Jobs for the tech world.
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- Zekio 12y agoyeah, i have a whole lot that aswell, might be more people watching than anticipated
- Zekio 12y agoif you go like 5 min back in the stream it seems very fluid, living 5min in the past is worth it to have a fluid stream :)
- jbigelow76 12y agoIt's pretty much unwatchable for me at work as well, way too much buffering. Somebody on the Azure Media Services team is probably going to get an earful afterward.
- pepsi 12y agoPretty bad for me here on my work connection. I have The Verge's liveblog in another tab. http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-10-event-live-blog/ http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-10-event-live-blo...
- fishercs 12y agoAnd why is it being streamed in flash??
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- sirkneeland 12y agoI don't know, but this whole "I refuse to consider [product X] before I've even seen it" thing doesn't strike me as the sort of open-minded, objective attitude a good engineer should have. Great for Apple's bottom line, though. I've gone back and forth between Mac and Windows boxes for years. I have a MacBook Pro and a Dell XPS 12 with Win8.1 and I use them interchangeably. They're both perfectly usable and both have their pros and cons. I want to see what Microsoft has to offer--especially curious to see if they can leverage their desktop size to resuscitate their mobile platform.
- turnip1979 12y agoCurious what you use as a Terminal replacement in Windows? I tried cygwin a few years ago and it was painful. Windows Powershell isn't standard enough for me.
- tobiassp 12y agoConsole2 is half decent http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/
- idolos 12y agoI use Cmder, which is based on ConEmu. It looks really nice, and the msysgit version gives you pretty much everything you need out of the box. https://bliker.github.io/cmder/ https://bliker.github.io/cmder/
- jszymborski 12y agoI use this everyday and it's absolutely first class.
- vertex-four 12y ago> Windows Powershell isn't standard enough for me. Then Windows isn't standard enough for you. The traditional UNIX toolset does not work on Windows - something as simple as chmod, or the concept of files being owned by users, works entirely differently. Things as simple as mv have entirely different semantics - there isn't a guaranteed atomic file rename function (well, actually, looks like one was implemented in Windows Vista... which doesn't work on network drives, including redirected folders which are used to map your home directory transparently to a network drive in many companies). In administering Windows systems, practically nothing is implemented as text mangling, so text mangling isn't a core part of the system's interface. Once you've thrown out all the stuff that works differently or can't be implemented reliably, you don't have a terrible amount left. If you want some subset of the GNU toolset for development, there's MSYS and a few other projects. Or you could learn how to use a system that doesn't buy into the UNIX monoculture, which has been a detriment to operating system research and development for the past couple of decades.
- Igglyboo 12y agoI know it will never happen but if I could have a native full featured bash or zsh environment on Windows I would switch back in a heartbeat. And no, Cygwin is not a replacement.
- moystard 12y agoI use Git Bash personnally as a command line when on Windows, and I find it brilliant.
- sz4kerto 12y agoYou could also learn Powershell. It is very different but similarly powerful in my opinion. (Learning new things doesn't hurt anyway.)
- cpfohl 12y agoPowershell is a lot better than CMD was (at least if you're used to bash/zsh; cmd and bash have too many false cognates, making it realy difficult to be able to switch between easily). That being said, bash's object model is infinitely easier to understand (what objects? it's all text and files).
- wvenable 12y agoI know more bash than I know powershell but you have to admit that shell scripting is hardly sane or well designed.
- wheelzr 12y agoKind of hard to overlook the fact the video is encoded using flash. Not real promising.
- Zekio 12y agoWMW format direct link. http://msstudios-live2.wm.llnwd.net/msstudios_live2 http://msstudios-live2.wm.llnwd.net/msstudios_live2 NO buffering problems, but only around 360-480p. but better than no buffering if you have a problem with the buffering :)
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- _almosnow 12y agoSo far, everything looks like https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2385/1895583251_f102d4324d.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2385/1895583251_f102d4324d.jpg But I hope they saved the best for the end.
- _almosnow 12y ago... well, it's over now and nothing.
- amaks 12y agoImpossible to watch, video stream always stutters
- amaks 12y agoNice, looks like some folks got offended by this comment. Wonder why:-)
- wanda 12y agoYay, more crap for me to turn off.
- czk 12y agoFor anyone having trouble with the stream, you can watch it in VLC if you open network stream with the following URL: http://msstudios-live2.wm.llnwd.net/msstudios_live2 http://msstudios-live2.wm.llnwd.net/msstudios_live2 It doesn't have the buffering issues that I see using the flash player.
- knd775 12y agoI don't get any video from this for some reason.
- amaks 12y agoWow, they added background images to Windows Phone.
- forgotAgain 12y agoHaving the video not watchable is a large fail for a company that's trying to sell infrastructure services.
- anindyabd 12y agoFree upgrades for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users -- wow, that's different from the Microsoft of old. Clearly they've decided that they've got enough in the coffers to be not as concerned about losing money in the short term to get some good PR.
- Synaesthesia 12y agoI think they're making their steady profits from corporate clients and big business solutions, (Azure etc). They have given up on selling Windows to remain relevant in the consumer side, it may be a smart move to keep consumers on the Windows platform as they explore alternative consumer strategies.
- digi_owl 12y agoEspecially after introducing Office 365. These days you don't get a Office copy to use, you get 1 year free...
- uptown 12y agoWhen they say "free for the first year" is that "free to upgrade" during the first year it's available, or "free for one year" then you'll pay a subscription to continue using the operating system after that year?
- dmunoz 12y agoHere is the slide from the Verge livecast [0]. It's followed with this quotation "Once a device is upgraded to Windows 10, we'll be keeping it current for the supported lifetime for the device." I'm not sure what they mean by "lifetime for the device", but I think it means you have a year to decide to upgrade to Windows 8, and then it'll be supported for as long as your device is working. [0] http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/19163/microsoft-windows-10-live-verge-_0221.jpg http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/191...
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- nothrabannosir 12y agoOT: I feel for this guy; the only people looking at him are the photographers. I'm no fan of putting blame with the audience, but I'm glad not be presenting in his place...
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- scotty79 12y agoI'm using Windows 10 tech preview as my main system and it's absolutely awesome, clean, responsive and fast. At least compared to Windows 7, 8.1, KDE, XP, Yosemite, Maverics, Gnome ... in order of descending utility.
- knd775 12y agoThis list seems a bit absurd.
- scotty79 12y agoWhat's absurd about it? Maybe I should put Win98 and Win95 somewhere there. They'd be somewhere around Gnome.
- knd775 12y agoOS X below XP? What does utility mean to you?
- scotty79 12y agoFor example being able to list all directories above all files when I browse them. Or not having my files deleted if they are somewhere inside the target folder that I'm moving some other folder to. Or not having to wonder where did my fullscreen app went when I accidentally flicked my fingers on the touchpad. Or not wondering how to make app not fullscreen if there's no button for that (happened on Maverics upgraded to Yosemite, fresh Yosemite install didn't have this problem). Or maybe Finder not hanging when I try to shut down the computer. Or not having my network disk mount and unmount at random or disappearing from some applications while remaining happily visible in Finder. Basically not getting in the way of what I want.
- wanda 12y agoDesktop environments aren't operating systems. And utility? If I were to rank operating systems according to my own subjective assessment of utility, Windows would be top. Because I develop on .NET to earn a living. I would still under no conditions argue that Windows is a better operating system than a unix-based OS. C# is more useful to me than C++, Erlang or Go but that doesn't mean I think C# is better than these languages. The fork is not worse than the knife overall. It's better for picking things up but it's not very good for cutting. Can't say I'm going to take the words of somebody using a tech preview OS as their daily driver seriously, either.
- snomad 12y agoMS Surface Hub could be fantastic in education.
- disdev 12y agoDid Microsoft hit the "jump the shark" moment with holograms?
- keithwarren 12y agoJump the shark? Seriously? This is probably the best thing I have seen them do in a decade.
- purephase 12y agoHolograms? Who did they buy that gave them that kind of traction. Seems like the corner that Oculus had been gunning for.
- pearle 12y agoI think MS research has been working on this for years. I watched a video a while back about them doing this sort of thing in their labs.
- vowelless 12y agoI think Steven Bathiche has been doing this kind of stuff for a long time, indeed.
- oliyoung 12y agoIt's all internal, Kinect was the first product out of the R&D apparently (its in the Wired article).
- davbeer 12y agoI find it amusing how almost everybody in the audience runs a mac :)
- mnglkhn2 12y agoNow it makes sense that Google just announced that they're stopping Glass from being sold retail. They did not want to have their device compared to the new product from MS. Actually I see this new device as more prone to success than the Glass. These devices are competing for the same markets: healthcare, education and entertainment. And here Glass is somewhat underpowered.
- rehemiau 12y agoWindows Phone 10 apps seem less convenient than in Windows Phone 7. Some of the gestures gone, hamburger menus instead... And why are the app menu buttons on top instead of bottom? I understand that they want to have the same codebase on all three screen sizes, but simple 'responsive' approach is not perfect. The WP10 platforms needs to make the best of its advantages, not become the second android mess where every app has different UX philosophy. MS should provide gudelines for tailoring apps to WP, but srsly atm they need to fix these office apps before releasing them.
- larrybolt 12y agoI love that they are bringing something like Cortana to the desktop. Ever since I saw Her [1] I wanted something like that, something that takes away the need to look at my smartphone when I receive an email to know what's it about or who it's from. A smartwatch seems to be going in the right direction for that kind of things, but still, it's not the same as being reminded about the weather when you are on the point leaving the door instead of having to look up the weather yourself. [1]: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/