>> "I wonder at the sheer human waste in leagues of emasculated coders churning out verbose Java/XML/SQL 'business' apps in cubicles, forced by convention to wo

>> "I wonder at the sheer human waste in leagues of emasculated coders churning out verbose Java/XML/SQL 'business' apps in cubicles, forced by convention to work in an ugly way - those businesses would be much better served in terms of efficiency, quality and innovation by using a good language, and their staff much happier." Surely the whole point of that setup is that they can get some productivity from mediocre programmers. Big businesses would rather have 10 mediocre programmers than 1 superstar programmer, and things like Java allow you to do that easily. It's a good balance between power and not letting programmers make stupid mistakes. That's why it's so successful.