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Not to be cynical, but what's in it for Apple? Obviously someone at Apple decided this makes business sense. What's the thinking?

nekitamo 12y ago
I believe it's mostly people at Google pushing this feature. I don't think Apple had much of a say in it.
- 12423gsd 12y ago
  Oh sorry. I was under the impression that Apple was in charge of the LLVM project
  - ossreality 12y ago
    ... Even if they are, Google contributes tons of code. It's called open source for a reason.
  - DannyBee 12y ago
    No. The LLVM foundation is. By numbers, Apple probably isn't even the largest contributor anymore (but this is just a guess based on mailing list traffic)
    - bla2 12y ago
      They probably would be if swift was open-source.
      - DannyBee 12y ago
        Probably not, actually. But it also depends on what you count. Google definitely has more people working directly on LLVM itself than Apple (At Google, they almost all work for me, and I know the numbers for Apple). If you start to include related open source projects (like clang, etc), the numbers get closer, but then you have things like all of the Android related open source stuff that gets worked on (Renderscript), etc. In any case, i'm not sure what the goal of any corporate measuring contest would be here. We are all friendly and working on the same open source projects. It's not about what "Google is doing" or "Apple is doing" but "what is getting done in the LLVM project".
        sanxiyn 12y ago
        Google and Apple used to be friendly and working on the same open source project named WebKit. Looking at the precedent, it is not unreasonable to consider such things, even if everything is okay in LLVM at the moment.
        DannyBee 12y ago
        These projects have very different means and goals. They also have very different governance, etc. In any case, i'm still not sure what we are "considering" here.
  - zturner 12y ago
    The LLVM project as a whole has many contributors from many different companies working on things they care about and contributing it back to the community.

nekitamo 12y ago

I believe it's mostly people at Google pushing this feature. I don't think Apple had much of a say in it.

12423gsd 12y ago
Oh sorry. I was under the impression that Apple was in charge of the LLVM project
- ossreality 12y ago
  ... Even if they are, Google contributes tons of code. It's called open source for a reason.
- DannyBee 12y ago
  No. The LLVM foundation is. By numbers, Apple probably isn't even the largest contributor anymore (but this is just a guess based on mailing list traffic)
  - bla2 12y ago
    They probably would be if swift was open-source.
    - DannyBee 12y ago
      Probably not, actually. But it also depends on what you count. Google definitely has more people working directly on LLVM itself than Apple (At Google, they almost all work for me, and I know the numbers for Apple). If you start to include related open source projects (like clang, etc), the numbers get closer, but then you have things like all of the Android related open source stuff that gets worked on (Renderscript), etc. In any case, i'm not sure what the goal of any corporate measuring contest would be here. We are all friendly and working on the same open source projects. It's not about what "Google is doing" or "Apple is doing" but "what is getting done in the LLVM project".
      - sanxiyn 12y ago
        Google and Apple used to be friendly and working on the same open source project named WebKit. Looking at the precedent, it is not unreasonable to consider such things, even if everything is okay in LLVM at the moment.
        DannyBee 12y ago
        These projects have very different means and goals. They also have very different governance, etc. In any case, i'm still not sure what we are "considering" here.
- zturner 12y ago
  The LLVM project as a whole has many contributors from many different companies working on things they care about and contributing it back to the community.