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I'm not a conspiracy theory type but I wonder how much was declassified vs. how much was not. Do you wonder if this is the mundane stuff the US Air Force relea

I'm not a conspiracy theory type but I wonder how much was declassified vs. how much was not. Do you wonder if this is the mundane stuff the US Air Force releases to be able to give them an argument against UFO phenomenon? I loosely follow this subject. I get excited when guys like Stanton Friedman speak. I got real interested in this subject when the whole Rendlesham Forest thing exploded. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident And even Niel Armstrong believes. Wasn't there an unencrypted radio communication that was recorded between NASA and one of the space shuttle missions where the astronautes describe a UFO being observed of some sort? All this just makes me wonder how much is not declassified or if it is declassified that it's probably down played as something other than a UFO???

krapp 12y ago
On the other hand, everything that has ever been declassified regarding UFOs suggests the phenomenon is mundane. That the government has probably taken advantage of the popular culture of UFOs to cover up their own projects with false reports and sightings makes the waters purposely murky. Belief isn't evidence of anything but a convincing story. People believe in things which turn out to have been untrue, misconstrued or plain fraud all the time (see: the Cottingley fairies, Piltdown man, WMD in Iraq.) Yes, there always could be some super-super secret treasure trove of classified information showing that UFOs are really alien spacecraft but it also seems increasingly likely that none of them are.
roberthahn 12y ago
I checked out Friedman's website: http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=ufo_challenge http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=ufo_challenge Anyone know what these 5 major studies he references on that page are?
- crystaln 12y ago
  I'd be curious to know as well. Given his claim that the NSA and CIA are hiding UFO data, I have to wonder why none of that was released by Snowden.
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    Because his claim is false?
  - joshontheweb 12y ago
    Some was. The authenticity and motive is obviously in question but there are some UFO related documents in the Snowden files that have been released so far. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573193/Flying-saucer-focus-seagull-taking-poo-Slides-Snowdens-latest-leak-fake-UFO-images-used-deliberately-spread-misinformation-online-claims-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573193/Flying-sauce...
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nl 12y ago
I'm not sure about Neil Armstrong - although I can't find any evidence supporting the view that he believed in UFOs. Buzz Aldrin doesn't though: On Apollo 11 in route to the Moon, I observed a light out the window that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many explanations of what that could be, other than another spacecraft from another country or another world - it was either the rocket we had separated from, or the 4 panels that moved away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft. So in the close vicinity, moving away, were 4 panels. And i feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the sun reflected off of one of these panels. Which one? I don't know. So technically, the definition could be "unidentified." We well understood exactly what that was. And when we returned, we debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed. And I felt that this had been distributed to the outside world, the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't, and so many years later, I had the time in an interview to disclose these observations, on another country's television network.[1] I'm not sure it can be much clearer than that. [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldrin_engineer_american_astronaut_and/cirtrhe?context=3 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldri...
- joshontheweb 12y ago
  Interesting. He certainly takes on a different tone about the experience in this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI
  - nl 12y ago
    That is entirely consistent with what he says on Reddit. Notice that the editing makes it seem like he thinks it was some suspicious object, but if you just take what he says it is basically "we saw something, it wasn't clear what it was." Even in the edited interview it is clear they thought it was part of the rocket, because they asked where it was. Clearly it didn't seem very important to them then: they kept an eye on it but weren't concerned. Turns out it wasn't the rocket, just some panels from it. That makes a lot of sense physically, and is consistent with what he says there and later on Reddit.

krapp 12y ago

On the other hand, everything that has ever been declassified regarding UFOs suggests the phenomenon is mundane. That the government has probably taken advantage of the popular culture of UFOs to cover up their own projects with false reports and sightings makes the waters purposely murky. Belief isn't evidence of anything but a convincing story. People believe in things which turn out to have been untrue, misconstrued or plain fraud all the time (see: the Cottingley fairies, Piltdown man, WMD in Iraq.) Yes, there always could be some super-super secret treasure trove of classified information showing that UFOs are really alien spacecraft but it also seems increasingly likely that none of them are.

roberthahn 12y ago

I checked out Friedman's website: http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=ufo_challenge http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=ufo_challenge Anyone know what these 5 major studies he references on that page are?

crystaln 12y ago
I'd be curious to know as well. Given his claim that the NSA and CIA are hiding UFO data, I have to wonder why none of that was released by Snowden.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  Because his claim is false?
- joshontheweb 12y ago
  Some was. The authenticity and motive is obviously in question but there are some UFO related documents in the Snowden files that have been released so far. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573193/Flying-saucer-focus-seagull-taking-poo-Slides-Snowdens-latest-leak-fake-UFO-images-used-deliberately-spread-misinformation-online-claims-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573193/Flying-sauce...
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nl 12y ago

I'm not sure about Neil Armstrong - although I can't find any evidence supporting the view that he believed in UFOs. Buzz Aldrin doesn't though: On Apollo 11 in route to the Moon, I observed a light out the window that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many explanations of what that could be, other than another spacecraft from another country or another world - it was either the rocket we had separated from, or the 4 panels that moved away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft. So in the close vicinity, moving away, were 4 panels. And i feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the sun reflected off of one of these panels. Which one? I don't know. So technically, the definition could be "unidentified." We well understood exactly what that was. And when we returned, we debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed. And I felt that this had been distributed to the outside world, the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't, and so many years later, I had the time in an interview to disclose these observations, on another country's television network.[1] I'm not sure it can be much clearer than that. [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldrin_engineer_american_astronaut_and/cirtrhe?context=3 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldri...

joshontheweb 12y ago
Interesting. He certainly takes on a different tone about the experience in this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI
- nl 12y ago
  That is entirely consistent with what he says on Reddit. Notice that the editing makes it seem like he thinks it was some suspicious object, but if you just take what he says it is basically "we saw something, it wasn't clear what it was." Even in the edited interview it is clear they thought it was part of the rocket, because they asked where it was. Clearly it didn't seem very important to them then: they kept an eye on it but weren't concerned. Turns out it wasn't the rocket, just some panels from it. That makes a lot of sense physically, and is consistent with what he says there and later on Reddit.