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“Rails Devs, Can you work for no cash? Very exciting opportunity for you”

mkorfmann 12y ago
Why not? IMO this could be a huge opportunity for some people, since the expectations aren't as high as in a paid gig.
- TheCoelacanth 12y ago
  I wouldn't count on it. The people who are getting something for free often have the most unrealistic expectations.
DigitalSea 12y ago
I love how the listing begins with the fact their application is now a paid application after being free for 12 months (so this means they're making some money). We are a start-up that just launched our premium, paid application Then they go on to say this is a no-cash gig. This is a NO CASH gig! Maybe they're not trying to do anything dodgy here, but we already have an industry fraught with developers being underpaid, pulling incredibly long work hours while their health suffers and this startup is looking for what amounts to slave labour by not offering a single dime to any would be Rails developer. It mentions 15 to 20 hours a week, but who knows if they'll expect more hours once they find someone (especially if they're good). If this were a charity of some kind or non-profit working on a good cause, then I don't see the problem with it. But this appears to be a startup that has begun making money (how much, who knows) and they're looking for a developer to work for free, for 6 weeks as well. That's just crazy.
mtmail 12y ago
This is http://get.quickkeyapp.com/ http://get.quickkeyapp.com/ (I replied) and they raised 330k USD http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/27/quick-key-the-quiz-scanning-app-for-teachers-raises-over-250000/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/27/quick-key-the-quiz-scanning...
- mikeymurph77 12y ago
  They must have bought an expensive ping-pong table with all that money they raised.
- greenyoda 12y ago
  Since it's a U.S. company and apparently not a non-profit, wouldn't paying $0/hour be in violation of federal minimum wage laws? A junior developer who does what he's told by the employer (i.e., doesn't have control over "what will be done and how it will be done"[1]) wouldn't meet the criteria for an independent contractor, so they'd be legally classified as an employee. [1] http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Independent-Contractor-Defined http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employ...
  - mtmail 12y ago
    I'd assume the contract will be labelled an internship or training to get around that.
    - greenyoda 12y ago
      In the U.S., interns of for-profit companies are subject to minimum wage laws unless the job is primarily for the educational benefit of the intern (i.e., the company doesn't get any useful labor). It's pretty clear that this company wants to hire a person who already knows their dev stack to do useful work for them. So the employee would need to be paid at least minimum wage.
greenyoda 12y ago
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Why not? IMO this could be a huge opportunity for some people, since the expectations aren't as high as in a paid gig.

TheCoelacanth 12y ago
I wouldn't count on it. The people who are getting something for free often have the most unrealistic expectations.

I love how the listing begins with the fact their application is now a paid application after being free for 12 months (so this means they're making some money). We are a start-up that just launched our premium, paid application Then they go on to say this is a no-cash gig. This is a NO CASH gig! Maybe they're not trying to do anything dodgy here, but we already have an industry fraught with developers being underpaid, pulling incredibly long work hours while their health suffers and this startup is looking for what amounts to slave labour by not offering a single dime to any would be Rails developer. It mentions 15 to 20 hours a week, but who knows if they'll expect more hours once they find someone (especially if they're good). If this were a charity of some kind or non-profit working on a good cause, then I don't see the problem with it. But this appears to be a startup that has begun making money (how much, who knows) and they're looking for a developer to work for free, for 6 weeks as well. That's just crazy.

mtmail 12y ago

This is http://get.quickkeyapp.com/ http://get.quickkeyapp.com/ (I replied) and they raised 330k USD http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/27/quick-key-the-quiz-scanning-app-for-teachers-raises-over-250000/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/27/quick-key-the-quiz-scanning...

mikeymurph77 12y ago
They must have bought an expensive ping-pong table with all that money they raised.
greenyoda 12y ago
Since it's a U.S. company and apparently not a non-profit, wouldn't paying $0/hour be in violation of federal minimum wage laws? A junior developer who does what he's told by the employer (i.e., doesn't have control over "what will be done and how it will be done"[1]) wouldn't meet the criteria for an independent contractor, so they'd be legally classified as an employee. [1] http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Independent-Contractor-Defined http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employ...
- mtmail 12y ago
  I'd assume the contract will be labelled an internship or training to get around that.
  - greenyoda 12y ago
    In the U.S., interns of for-profit companies are subject to minimum wage laws unless the job is primarily for the educational benefit of the intern (i.e., the company doesn't get any useful labor). It's pretty clear that this company wants to hire a person who already knows their dev stack to do useful work for them. So the employee would need to be paid at least minimum wage.

greenyoda 12y ago

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