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QBasic game programming

neandrake 12y ago
In the late 90's there were several great QBasic communities (NeoZones was one I would frequent the most). I think these more than the fondness of the language/IDE were what kept me interested in learning software. Most of the communities seemed to die along with popularity of the language in the early 2000's.
- dhotson 12y ago
  Oh wow.. the community is still going: http://www.neobasic.net/ http://www.neobasic.net/ Marcade, Alias, Chaoticmass, Sciolizer.. any of you guys hang out here? :)
aabajian 12y ago
This is fantastic. My first game was in GW-BASIC, but I quickly upgraded once I discovered QBasic on DOS 6.22. I also loved the MS-DOS Shell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Shell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Shell) found on the supplemental disk of v6.22. It felt like multitasking...but wasn't.
- reacweb 12y ago
  I started with the basic of Oric-1, then the fabulous locomotive basic of Amstrad. When I got a PC (1986), I ditched quickly GW-basic in favor of turbo pascal, turbo prolog and later turbo C. QBASIC was not bad, but really too late for me.
petercooper 12y ago
It basically has zero value now, but perhaps my only claim to "fame" in the 90s was writing the first (at least popularly known) raycaster in QBasic which then spawned a ton of clones (the comp.lang.basic.misc community was strong then). It was absolutely hideous and naive but getting credited in far smarter people's larger creations as their inspiration was an eye opener for me :-) (And a feat I have not repeated, alas!) http://home.kpn.nl/nebula/articfls%5Carticle1.html http://home.kpn.nl/nebula/articfls%5Carticle1.html http://www.o-bizz.de/qbdown/qbcom/files/txtreng.bas http://www.o-bizz.de/qbdown/qbcom/files/txtreng.bas
- evincarofautumn 12y ago
  I do believe you are (indirectly) the reason that I got into graphics programming, which led to the low-level skills I now use at my job every day. Thank you.
FrankenPC 12y ago
Great memories. It inspires me to locate an old DOS version of Turbo Pascal. TP was my absolute favorite IDE in the DOS days.
dhotson 12y ago
I managed to dig up one of my old 3d demo projects: Source: https://gist.github.com/dhotson/686036fb771fbbca8c48 https://gist.github.com/dhotson/686036fb771fbbca8c48 Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/4fpaYtO.png http://i.imgur.com/4fpaYtO.png .. it's not as embarrassing as I expected. :)
- Toenex 12y ago
  Actually that's a cool screenshot. It looks retro-cool rather than old. Nice work.
kyriakos 12y ago
I'm wondering what impact to future programmers the current state of programming will have. Back when i was using qbasic there were very few distractions, as a self taught programmer if you wanted to build something you had to figure out how to do it yourself. No frameworks, no google, no stackoverflow noise just a couple of libraries and infromation from a couple of books I had access to as a kid. I remember for my first PC I knew the purpose of every single file on its 21mb of hard disk, try doing that today..
DSMan195276 12y ago
Shout-out to QB64 - An attempt at a modern version/compiler for QBasic code, as well as updated features. I used to do a fair amount of programming in QB64, and the design of the language hampers it as a general-purpose language, it's a fun language for learning and writing in.
- jarcane 12y ago
  There's also FreeBASIC, which is largely compatible but with some shiny new features on top (even macros and tail-call optimization O_O).
  - DSMan195276 12y ago
    The QB64 community is aware of FreeBASIC, but a big feature of QB64 is that you can literally drop QBasic code into QB64 and it will work without any modifications. This won't work at all for FreeBASIC, it's much to far away from QBasic. FreeBASIC is still a nice language, but it does have different goals then QB64.
    - jarcane 12y ago
      They've moved away then, since I last used it, earlier versions were pretty compatible. QB64's aims are good, but it's still incomplete itself, and I had stability issues with it (and to be honest, wasn't particularly keen on still using the old QB IDE anymore either).
      - DSMan195276 12y ago
        FreeBASIC definitely has moved away from QBasic compatibility, I don't think it's considered a focus at this point. The last SDL versions of QB64 are fairly impressively compatible IMO, a large chunk of QBasic programs work without too many modifications. You can also now use the compiler via the command-line if you're interested. Back when I was doing some more "serious" QB64 development, I use a regular IDE and shell'd out to QB64 to compile, rather then typing in the QB64 IDE itself. It has it's share of rough edges though, so it is what it is.
andrewguenther 12y ago
I learned QBasic from a Boy Scout magazine when I was in 4th grade. It was a letter jumble game and my dad helped me on our old Windows 3.1 machine. Never looked back.
pjmlp 12y ago
Having started with ZX Spectrum BASIC (Timex 2068), followed by hexdumps, and moving into GW-Basic/Turbo Basic and Assembly after getting my first PC, I never coding anything meaningful in QBasic. For me, those were the days to start learning Turbo Pascal, and QBasic was used mainly to run nibbles and gorillas, when I got bored of a coding session.
- reidrac 12y ago
  I can relate to this. I started with ZX Spectrum 128K's Basic and then moved to GWBasic on a Nec V40 (80186 compatible), my first PC. When I got a computer good enough to run QBasic (or anything newer than DOS 3.3), it could compile C as well (with DJGPP) so I completely skipped QBasic.
  - Zardoz84 12y ago
    In my case, would be : ZX Spectrum +3 -> TurboBasic/QBasic -> Visual Basic & Delphi -> PHP -> C, C++, Java, Javascript, Python, D, Assembly I really miss the simplicity that have old computers of 80's and early 90's.
- Intermernet 12y ago
  Almost the same path here. Started with Basic on the C64, then GW-Basic, a little bit of QBasic, then discovered Turbo Pascal, Borland C, etc. Thanks for reminding me about Gorillas. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's basically Artillery with bananas :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillas_%28video_game%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillas_%28video_game%29
klibertp 12y ago
IIRC the version bundled with DOS6.22 was severly limited: it couldn't generate executables and the built-in help was only for IDE, without help on the language at all. That's because MS was also selling QBasic "pro" version. It was basically impossible to buy any software then in my country, so I was stuck with normal QBasic for a few years, until I got Internet connection and pirated a full version (it was still impossible to buy software here - no one bothered selling it at all here until a bit later). Still, bundling a quite capable IDE with an OS was a very nice practice, but it basically ended then, probably because MS also sold Visual Basic. Without QBasic I wouldn't have started programming at all - I wonder how it would be if I was starting right now. Is there any ubiquitous, simple language available basically everywhere and with a nice IDE by default? JavaScript almost fits the bill, but as a beginner who doesn't know any better you're likely to use Notepad, while with QBasic you had a real IDE from the beginning.
- fredsted 12y ago
  I started with QBasic too, and later on Delphi, dragging and dropping components on a window to create GUI programs. Nowadays you can get Lazarus for free. There's also NetBeans, KDevelop, Komodo, Virtual Studio Express, Xojo, and more. It depends what you want to do. And if you're on a Mac, I'd go with Xcode+Swift. Great language for beginners.
- Narishma 12y ago
  The version that came with MS-DOS definitely had extensive help on the language as well as the editor. It was an interpreter though, and couldn't generate executables like the commercial version which was called QuickBasic IIRC.
  - klibertp 12y ago
    > The version that came with MS-DOS definitely had extensive help on the language as well as the editor. Are you sure about that? I may be wrong of course, but I remember pressing "F3" (which I think was meant to invoke help?) and getting nothing. That's actually why I bought a book, I think this one: http://www.amazon.com/Crash-Course-Qbasic-Greg-Perry/dp/1565299396 http://www.amazon.com/Crash-Course-Qbasic-Greg-Perry/dp/1565... (quite a nice one! I remember reading it cover-to-cover during summer break on a beach, without any computer in at least 20km radius...) But it's absolutely possible that I either had some ripped version or just couldn't find the right options. I mean, I was 8 at the time, knowing very little English, so that wouldn't surprise me at all :)
Narishma 12y ago
Is it me or is he doing the input and rendering in the wrong order?
- balau 12y ago
  Not necessarily wrong. Let's say it's inverted with respect to what you would normally expect. Since PUT writes pixels with XOR, it doesn't make a difference after the two PUT are executed. But since the graphic mode doesn't have double buffering, the screen could refresh while the PUT are executing. If the sprite is erased and then the next sprite is drawn, it might happen that you see no sprite or a partial sprite for a split second. If the next sprite is drawn first, and then the previous sprite is erased, you might see something like two slightly different sprites at the same time, and this gives a better (still ugly but better) movement effect in my opinion. That's why I inverted those lines.
  - Narishma 12y ago
    I was talking about input and rendering. If you do rendering before handling input, you add at least an extra frame of latency.
    - balau 12y ago
      I'm sorry I don't know why I understood the other thing. You are right, the input effect is delayed in this way.
husted 12y ago
I remember using basic during my demo coding days to find the optimum algorithms. When everything is running at 0.5fps it's easy to sport which implementation is the fastest. So after trying a few methods I would determine the fastest and implement it in asm1. I miss those days, that was fun.
helmsb 12y ago
My whole fascination with computers and ultimately my career in programming started with QBasic. When I was 7 years old we had a 286 with DOS and running Norton Commander. I knew all the games I played, ran by selecting the ".EXE" file so I started looking for other "EXEs" when I ran across "QBasic.exe", I thought it might be a game so I ran it and started digging around. I came across some sample applications and more importantly the Help menu (QBasic had the one of the most incredible help systems ever). I started copying the samples for each command, then chaining them together to see what I could do. I can still remember the thrill I felt the first time I typed code and had the computer do what I wanted, it was life altering! My dad later bought me a book called "101 BASIC Computer Games", that's when I discovered that all flavors of BASIC are not equal and I then taught myself debugging.
z3t4 12y ago
QBasic was also how I started programming. When I found out you can edit the code ... I printed programs on the school printer. Then typed it in when I got home, as we did not have any Internet. Sometimes I got banned for printing non-school-work. I've heard similar stories from people printing machine code, so I guess it wasn't that bad writing QBasic.

In the late 90's there were several great QBasic communities (NeoZones was one I would frequent the most). I think these more than the fondness of the language/IDE were what kept me interested in learning software. Most of the communities seemed to die along with popularity of the language in the early 2000's.

dhotson 12y ago
Oh wow.. the community is still going: http://www.neobasic.net/ http://www.neobasic.net/ Marcade, Alias, Chaoticmass, Sciolizer.. any of you guys hang out here? :)

aabajian 12y ago

This is fantastic. My first game was in GW-BASIC, but I quickly upgraded once I discovered QBasic on DOS 6.22. I also loved the MS-DOS Shell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Shell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Shell) found on the supplemental disk of v6.22. It felt like multitasking...but wasn't.

reacweb 12y ago
I started with the basic of Oric-1, then the fabulous locomotive basic of Amstrad. When I got a PC (1986), I ditched quickly GW-basic in favor of turbo pascal, turbo prolog and later turbo C. QBASIC was not bad, but really too late for me.

petercooper 12y ago

It basically has zero value now, but perhaps my only claim to "fame" in the 90s was writing the first (at least popularly known) raycaster in QBasic which then spawned a ton of clones (the comp.lang.basic.misc community was strong then). It was absolutely hideous and naive but getting credited in far smarter people's larger creations as their inspiration was an eye opener for me :-) (And a feat I have not repeated, alas!) http://home.kpn.nl/nebula/articfls%5Carticle1.html http://home.kpn.nl/nebula/articfls%5Carticle1.html http://www.o-bizz.de/qbdown/qbcom/files/txtreng.bas http://www.o-bizz.de/qbdown/qbcom/files/txtreng.bas

evincarofautumn 12y ago
I do believe you are (indirectly) the reason that I got into graphics programming, which led to the low-level skills I now use at my job every day. Thank you.

FrankenPC 12y ago

Great memories. It inspires me to locate an old DOS version of Turbo Pascal. TP was my absolute favorite IDE in the DOS days.

dhotson 12y ago

I managed to dig up one of my old 3d demo projects: Source: https://gist.github.com/dhotson/686036fb771fbbca8c48 https://gist.github.com/dhotson/686036fb771fbbca8c48 Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/4fpaYtO.png http://i.imgur.com/4fpaYtO.png .. it's not as embarrassing as I expected. :)

Toenex 12y ago
Actually that's a cool screenshot. It looks retro-cool rather than old. Nice work.

kyriakos 12y ago

I'm wondering what impact to future programmers the current state of programming will have. Back when i was using qbasic there were very few distractions, as a self taught programmer if you wanted to build something you had to figure out how to do it yourself. No frameworks, no google, no stackoverflow noise just a couple of libraries and infromation from a couple of books I had access to as a kid. I remember for my first PC I knew the purpose of every single file on its 21mb of hard disk, try doing that today..

DSMan195276 12y ago

Shout-out to QB64 - An attempt at a modern version/compiler for QBasic code, as well as updated features. I used to do a fair amount of programming in QB64, and the design of the language hampers it as a general-purpose language, it's a fun language for learning and writing in.

jarcane 12y ago
There's also FreeBASIC, which is largely compatible but with some shiny new features on top (even macros and tail-call optimization O_O).
- DSMan195276 12y ago
  The QB64 community is aware of FreeBASIC, but a big feature of QB64 is that you can literally drop QBasic code into QB64 and it will work without any modifications. This won't work at all for FreeBASIC, it's much to far away from QBasic. FreeBASIC is still a nice language, but it does have different goals then QB64.
  - jarcane 12y ago
    They've moved away then, since I last used it, earlier versions were pretty compatible. QB64's aims are good, but it's still incomplete itself, and I had stability issues with it (and to be honest, wasn't particularly keen on still using the old QB IDE anymore either).
    - DSMan195276 12y ago
      FreeBASIC definitely has moved away from QBasic compatibility, I don't think it's considered a focus at this point. The last SDL versions of QB64 are fairly impressively compatible IMO, a large chunk of QBasic programs work without too many modifications. You can also now use the compiler via the command-line if you're interested. Back when I was doing some more "serious" QB64 development, I use a regular IDE and shell'd out to QB64 to compile, rather then typing in the QB64 IDE itself. It has it's share of rough edges though, so it is what it is.

andrewguenther 12y ago

I learned QBasic from a Boy Scout magazine when I was in 4th grade. It was a letter jumble game and my dad helped me on our old Windows 3.1 machine. Never looked back.

pjmlp 12y ago

Having started with ZX Spectrum BASIC (Timex 2068), followed by hexdumps, and moving into GW-Basic/Turbo Basic and Assembly after getting my first PC, I never coding anything meaningful in QBasic. For me, those were the days to start learning Turbo Pascal, and QBasic was used mainly to run nibbles and gorillas, when I got bored of a coding session.

reidrac 12y ago
I can relate to this. I started with ZX Spectrum 128K's Basic and then moved to GWBasic on a Nec V40 (80186 compatible), my first PC. When I got a computer good enough to run QBasic (or anything newer than DOS 3.3), it could compile C as well (with DJGPP) so I completely skipped QBasic.
- Zardoz84 12y ago
  In my case, would be : ZX Spectrum +3 -> TurboBasic/QBasic -> Visual Basic & Delphi -> PHP -> C, C++, Java, Javascript, Python, D, Assembly I really miss the simplicity that have old computers of 80's and early 90's.
Intermernet 12y ago
Almost the same path here. Started with Basic on the C64, then GW-Basic, a little bit of QBasic, then discovered Turbo Pascal, Borland C, etc. Thanks for reminding me about Gorillas. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's basically Artillery with bananas :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillas_%28video_game%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillas_%28video_game%29

klibertp 12y ago

IIRC the version bundled with DOS6.22 was severly limited: it couldn't generate executables and the built-in help was only for IDE, without help on the language at all. That's because MS was also selling QBasic "pro" version. It was basically impossible to buy any software then in my country, so I was stuck with normal QBasic for a few years, until I got Internet connection and pirated a full version (it was still impossible to buy software here - no one bothered selling it at all here until a bit later). Still, bundling a quite capable IDE with an OS was a very nice practice, but it basically ended then, probably because MS also sold Visual Basic. Without QBasic I wouldn't have started programming at all - I wonder how it would be if I was starting right now. Is there any ubiquitous, simple language available basically everywhere and with a nice IDE by default? JavaScript almost fits the bill, but as a beginner who doesn't know any better you're likely to use Notepad, while with QBasic you had a real IDE from the beginning.

fredsted 12y ago
I started with QBasic too, and later on Delphi, dragging and dropping components on a window to create GUI programs. Nowadays you can get Lazarus for free. There's also NetBeans, KDevelop, Komodo, Virtual Studio Express, Xojo, and more. It depends what you want to do. And if you're on a Mac, I'd go with Xcode+Swift. Great language for beginners.
Narishma 12y ago
The version that came with MS-DOS definitely had extensive help on the language as well as the editor. It was an interpreter though, and couldn't generate executables like the commercial version which was called QuickBasic IIRC.
- klibertp 12y ago
  > The version that came with MS-DOS definitely had extensive help on the language as well as the editor. Are you sure about that? I may be wrong of course, but I remember pressing "F3" (which I think was meant to invoke help?) and getting nothing. That's actually why I bought a book, I think this one: http://www.amazon.com/Crash-Course-Qbasic-Greg-Perry/dp/1565299396 http://www.amazon.com/Crash-Course-Qbasic-Greg-Perry/dp/1565... (quite a nice one! I remember reading it cover-to-cover during summer break on a beach, without any computer in at least 20km radius...) But it's absolutely possible that I either had some ripped version or just couldn't find the right options. I mean, I was 8 at the time, knowing very little English, so that wouldn't surprise me at all :)

Narishma 12y ago

Is it me or is he doing the input and rendering in the wrong order?

balau 12y ago
Not necessarily wrong. Let's say it's inverted with respect to what you would normally expect. Since PUT writes pixels with XOR, it doesn't make a difference after the two PUT are executed. But since the graphic mode doesn't have double buffering, the screen could refresh while the PUT are executing. If the sprite is erased and then the next sprite is drawn, it might happen that you see no sprite or a partial sprite for a split second. If the next sprite is drawn first, and then the previous sprite is erased, you might see something like two slightly different sprites at the same time, and this gives a better (still ugly but better) movement effect in my opinion. That's why I inverted those lines.
- Narishma 12y ago
  I was talking about input and rendering. If you do rendering before handling input, you add at least an extra frame of latency.
  - balau 12y ago
    I'm sorry I don't know why I understood the other thing. You are right, the input effect is delayed in this way.

husted 12y ago

I remember using basic during my demo coding days to find the optimum algorithms. When everything is running at 0.5fps it's easy to sport which implementation is the fastest. So after trying a few methods I would determine the fastest and implement it in asm1. I miss those days, that was fun.

helmsb 12y ago

My whole fascination with computers and ultimately my career in programming started with QBasic. When I was 7 years old we had a 286 with DOS and running Norton Commander. I knew all the games I played, ran by selecting the ".EXE" file so I started looking for other "EXEs" when I ran across "QBasic.exe", I thought it might be a game so I ran it and started digging around. I came across some sample applications and more importantly the Help menu (QBasic had the one of the most incredible help systems ever). I started copying the samples for each command, then chaining them together to see what I could do. I can still remember the thrill I felt the first time I typed code and had the computer do what I wanted, it was life altering! My dad later bought me a book called "101 BASIC Computer Games", that's when I discovered that all flavors of BASIC are not equal and I then taught myself debugging.

z3t4 12y ago

QBasic was also how I started programming. When I found out you can edit the code ... I printed programs on the school printer. Then typed it in when I got home, as we did not have any Internet. Sometimes I got banned for printing non-school-work. I've heard similar stories from people printing machine code, so I guess it wasn't that bad writing QBasic.