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Who do you think is going to stop them? The US can do what ever they want because Europe permanently has its head up its ass.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
I don't know. The EU seems to be more concerned about not falling apart right now. But then again, I was hoping the people of US would notice and maybe tell their government that they don't want to be citizens of the biggest terrorist state on the planet?
- happyscrappy 12y ago
  I am sure ISIS and al Qaeda feel they are being terrorized and Americans fully support these operations. Pakistan and Yemen help with these missions because they want them eradicated. Europeans criticize while not realizing these operation are run in large part from Europe. As long as the governments of Europe do what the U.S. says the opinion of their citizens can be ignored.
  - acqq 12y ago
    You totally ignore all the deaths of civilians caused by the US military and other actions.
    - happyscrappy 12y ago
      Drones, contrary to popular belief, reduce civilian casualties.
      - amirmc 12y ago
        Redefining 'civilian' also reduces civilian casualties. "It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent." I don't imagine anyone cares to do the posthumous intelligence checks. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in...
        brennannovak 12y ago
        "Terrorist guilty until proven otherwise" horrifying stuff!
      - acqq 12y ago
        Only during 2003-2006 US war period in Iraq there were some 600000 Iraqis killed, most of them civilians: http://leksikon.org/images/iraq_lancet2.pdf http://leksikon.org/images/iraq_lancet2.pdf There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before US attacked it: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/still-clueless-about-al-qaeda-iraq_576537.html http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/still-clueless-about-al-... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/15/bush-acknowledges-absence_n_151144.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/15/bush-acknowledges-a...
rtpg 12y ago
This comment is counterproductive, because it implies Europe (or more specifically the EU) has no agency. The fact is that the EU wants to apply even more crazy gov't surveillance tactics, and don't need the US pushing it. By saying this, you're giving them an "out" ('oh, big bad Uncle Sam basically forced us to play along!').
- happyscrappy 12y ago
  Yes, this is how things work. Europeans blame the U.S. and let their own governments off the hook thereby guaranteeing US dominance.

TeMPOraL 12y ago

I don't know. The EU seems to be more concerned about not falling apart right now. But then again, I was hoping the people of US would notice and maybe tell their government that they don't want to be citizens of the biggest terrorist state on the planet?

happyscrappy 12y ago
I am sure ISIS and al Qaeda feel they are being terrorized and Americans fully support these operations. Pakistan and Yemen help with these missions because they want them eradicated. Europeans criticize while not realizing these operation are run in large part from Europe. As long as the governments of Europe do what the U.S. says the opinion of their citizens can be ignored.
- acqq 12y ago
  You totally ignore all the deaths of civilians caused by the US military and other actions.
  - happyscrappy 12y ago
    Drones, contrary to popular belief, reduce civilian casualties.
    - amirmc 12y ago
      Redefining 'civilian' also reduces civilian casualties. "It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent." I don't imagine anyone cares to do the posthumous intelligence checks. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in...
      - brennannovak 12y ago
        "Terrorist guilty until proven otherwise" horrifying stuff!
    - acqq 12y ago
      Only during 2003-2006 US war period in Iraq there were some 600000 Iraqis killed, most of them civilians: http://leksikon.org/images/iraq_lancet2.pdf http://leksikon.org/images/iraq_lancet2.pdf There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before US attacked it: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/still-clueless-about-al-qaeda-iraq_576537.html http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/still-clueless-about-al-... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/15/bush-acknowledges-absence_n_151144.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/15/bush-acknowledges-a...

rtpg 12y ago

This comment is counterproductive, because it implies Europe (or more specifically the EU) has no agency. The fact is that the EU wants to apply even more crazy gov't surveillance tactics, and don't need the US pushing it. By saying this, you're giving them an "out" ('oh, big bad Uncle Sam basically forced us to play along!').

happyscrappy 12y ago
Yes, this is how things work. Europeans blame the U.S. and let their own governments off the hook thereby guaranteeing US dominance.