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> Why must there be a conspiratorial astroturfing campaign taking place? Regardless of how you feel about it, there is a conspiratorial astroturfing campaign t
by benaiah 12y ago
> Why must there be a conspiratorial astroturfing campaign taking place?
Regardless of how you feel about it, there is a conspiratorial astroturfing campaign taking place - it's a well documented NSA activity. Whether it accounts for specific comments is impossible to say, but it does exist. Why then is it so absurd to think that it may be in play?
- diminoten 12y agoWhy is it absurd? Because there's no evidence of it taking place. It's the same reason we don't believe in unicorns.
- smtddr 12y agohttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipula... EDIT: Added firstlook url per reply, originally pointed to https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140224/17054826340/new-snowden-doc-reveals-how-gchqnsa-use-internet-to-manipulate-deceive-destroy-reputations.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140224/17054826340/new-s... ...not really sure I see a substantial difference between the 2 articles, but there you go.
- diminoten 12y agoWhy link to the blogspam and not the firstlook.org article it's sourced from? Oh right, because it doesn't support what you're saying. Got it.
- DanBC 12y agoAre you saying that GCHQ don't do it? Or that GCHQ does do it, but because they're GCHQ and not NSA that it's irrelevant? Because now you have evidence that GCHQ does it you should allow the possibility that NSA does it. The reason you don't have evidence that NSA does it might be because NSA is a secret organistion.
- diminoten 12y agoSo Snowden decided to leak the GCHQ presentation, but chose not to show any of the evidence he had that the NSA does it?
- DanBC 12y agoSnowden did not gather everything. Maybe he just missed it? Or maybe GCHQ does it but NSA doesn't? We know that other bits of the US government have different levels of online presence so I'm not sure why you're so hostile to the idea that NSA has people that disrupt online conversation about NSA.
- diminoten 12y agoI for one try to only accuse folks of doing things I actually have evidence of them doing, and I know this sounds crazy, but there's currently no evidence the NSA is on HN astroturfing comments, so maybe we shouldn't pretend like we know things we don't.
- rhizome 12y agoI for one try to only accuse folks of doing things I actually have evidence of them doing That's not true.
- diminoten 12y agoYou don't see a substantial difference between GHCQ and CIA? Interesting.