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You joke but a future were corporations control ICBMs to their advantage is a realistic worry.
by guelo 12y ago
You joke but a future were corporations control ICBMs to their advantage is a realistic worry.
- jacquesm 12y agoThat's no longer the future. SpaceX is a corporation and that rocket could have been pointed the other way for a bit longer easily.
- ChuckMcM 12y agoI'm trying, but not succeeding, to imagine a non-fiction situation where a corporation has any business advantage in owning and/or controlling an ICBM. Can you expand on your comment? What would a corporation do with this, other than to perhaps implement same day delivery of packages around the globe?
- moskie 12y agoI don't necessarily believe this to be a possibility... but if the US contracted out "security" to companies like Blackwater, it seems at least.... plausible that they could contract out "missile defense."
- returnofdjedi 12y agoThis could get bad if the contracted party is corrupt?
- penprog 12y agoICBM Delivery service? sign me up
- jccooper 12y agoOkay. That 1oz letter will be $150 at current Falcon 9 prices. You know, that started as a joke, but cut it in half with reusable stages and that's really not too far off for intercontinental overnight delivery.
- HCIdivision17 12y agoI feel like I remember seeing a steampunk variant of this idea in some animation/comic (maybe in the Flight series or Bolt City?) Scene: ten miles over a major metropolitan city, an ICBM is racing in. Seconds later the nose cone is jettisoned and a cluster of small cones begin pouring out. Little grid fins pop out and they scatter out like dandylion seeds to the wind. Zooming on one, we watch it hurtle towards an enormous skyscraper. The cone's nose begins blinking from green to red, blinking faster as it approaches its target. Screaming closer and closer, we see the tower suddenly open a panel showing a large tank and the cone slams into it with an enormous splash. As it settles a platform gently captures it and raises it up to a crew of people with mail carts ready to distribute the packages.
- fennecfoxen 12y agoTheoretically, they could be mercenaries, hiring themselves out to some corrupt dictatorship, guerillas, drug lords, state-sponsored terrorists, or similar groups. They would collect a bunch of money and launch a missile at their enemies. Turning that into a sustainable business model has ... hazards, of course. The Economist had an interesting book review on a book positing a return to medievalism -- where the state does not have a monopoly of force -- and it's interesting: a little far-fetched and unlikely, but just this side of plausible. http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21638096-how-private-armies-will-remake-modern-warfare-return-hired-gun http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21638096-how-pr... One notable bit was the incident where "a famous actress turned humanitarian [...] with various human-rights groups, wanted to hire Blackwater to set up safe havens in Sudan to protect civilians fleeing the janjaweed militia" but decided against it.
- Florin_Andrei 12y agohttp://battellemedia.com/archives/2005/09/ballmer_throws_a_chair_at_fing_google.php http://battellemedia.com/archives/2005/09/ballmer_throws_a_c...
- azernik 12y agoSpace launch systems are so deeply dual-use it's not even funny. Orbital rockets are very similar to early, low-readiness ICBMs - modern systems prefer solid fuel, since they can be safely kept fueled for longer periods of time, but aside from that the biggest differences between a Falcon 9 and an ICBM is how ridiculously overpowered the Falcon is, and its lack of re-entry countermeasures (MIRVs, decoys, etc.). Which is why anyone working at a company like SpaceX is subject to the same technology export restrictions as weapons companies. For example, if SpaceX can get e.g. the Dragon capsule to land with a reasonable accuracy on thrusters, and then put a warhead in it (or multiple warheads) , that's quite a capable weapons system right there. In fact, it's even capable of fractional orbital bombardment, which was considered so destabilizing during the Cold War that it was specifically banned in SALT II. tl;dr - Elon Musk will, within a couple of years, control a system that can be adapted into an ICBM within a very short period of time and with minimal investment.
- guelo 12y agoThe best historical example is the British East India Company whose private army conquered India and ruled it for about 100 years. Another example is the United Fruit Company in South America that bought local armies to crush rebellions. Since the US government has become so corrupt American companies have found it easy to use the power of the US government to coerce other countries, for example for intellectual property treaties. But it’s feasible that in the future companies might want their own military power to get their way.
- dredmorbius 12y agoAny good references on BEIC and its army?
- chobo 12y agoHow did the power and economic reach of pre-modern organizations like the British East India Company compare to modern megacorporations? -- http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/17mvv1/how_did_the_power_and_economic_reach_of_premodern/ http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/17mvv1/how_di...
- dredmorbius 12y agoNice. I tried asking a similar question on corporate violence a ways back and got moderated out.
- sliverstorm 12y agoIt's basically the company-as-government idea, wherein a company is so big it begins to function like a government, including military operation to further its goals. Which, tangentially, is the model presented by extreme libertarians as the way of the future and how we can do away with government for good.
- forrestthewoods 12y agoSo... Boeing and Lockheed?
- baddox 12y agoA world where governments control ICBMs is an even more realistic worry.
- ddoolin 12y agoExactly. The irony here is intense.
- iamcreasy 12y agoWhat other options come to mind?
- jonathantm 12y agoICBMs control governments?
- iamcreasy 12y agoCare to elaborate?