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That's the problem with these dialogues. Often right-leaning types see them as ways to avoid having to take any responsibility or action for anything by claimin
by sago 12y ago
That's the problem with these dialogues. Often right-leaning types see them as ways to avoid having to take any responsibility or action for anything by claiming the real issues are things that are the neutral mechanics of an impersonal market.
There, fixed.
- drzaiusapelord 12y agoExcept we've had a history of censorship and its been historically horrible. This is just a new Comics Code Authority Code. So yeah, we tried the liberal censorship (protect the $minority, $gender, $children) approach and its a massive failure because TOP DOWN CONTROL OF CULTURE IS HARMFUL. Instead lower barriers, give people choice, don't guilt them, open markets, etc. Let speech and art flourish. Political correctness is the opposite of this.
- sago 12y agoWow, I'm not sure who you're responding to. I was remarking on the diversionary tactic of using impersonal markets to avoid taking responsibility. Perhaps I hit a nerve.
- betenoire 12y agoI've read every comment on this page until this one so far, and you are the only one making this political. Who are you arguing with?
- chasing 12y agoYour over-reliance on political straw men ("left-leaning types," "social justice warriors," "liberal censorship") might turn people off to your actual ideas.
- mcguire 12y agoIt did me. The term "social justice warrior", like "nation-state", serves primarily as a flag-term that tells me I can stop listening.
- mcguire 12y agoWow, that's the first time I've ever heard the Comics Code Authority called "liberal".
- dragonwriter 12y agoI think parent and grandparent posts both have somewhat valid if overstated points, but have improperly used "left-wing" and "right-wing" in place of "pro-censorship" and "anti-censorship". Pro-censorship arguments can come from the right (and often do), and anti-censorship arguments in favor or personal choice driving availability can come from the left (and often do.) Usually, there's slightly different subject matter that left- and right-wing pro-censorship folks target, though sexualized images of women tend to be targeted by both, though with different rationales.
- sago 12y agoI think that making it about 'censorship' immediately betrays a kind of knee-jerk status quo defending. There are some folks who would want to see censorship of this kind of material, I'm sure. But I've not met them. And it certainly isn't what the vast, vast majority of feminists and social justice campaigners are interested in. I don't want censorship for anything. I think people should be perfectly entitled to produce comics with toxic representations of blacks, Jews, Christians, LGBT+ folks, whoever. But I want to agitate and educate for a culture in which such representations are rightly considered unpleasant and unwelcome to most people. I want to change the culture so that those kind of facile objectifications are seen for what they are, and where most people reject them accordingly. The idea that this is about censorship, is a strawman, as far as I can see. Remember Voltaire. Unfortunately, it is common for some people to confuse organisation against something with censorship of it.