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I'm surprised at the number of comments in this thread excusing it because of the market. The fact that nearly everyone who has made that point felt the need to

I'm surprised at the number of comments in this thread excusing it because of the market. The fact that nearly everyone who has made that point felt the need to create a new account to do so is very telling. The market is influenced heavily by human beings. And no human being is morally perfect. There are lots of comics that sexualise women because there are lots of guys who, for some reason, enjoy seeing sexual cartoons. The people who draw comics, for some reason, also seem to enjoy drawing comics like this. That doesn't excuse the problem. There have been markets for plenty of things that we decided as a society aren't morally right to sell anymore.

Kenji 12y ago
"There have been markets for plenty of things that we decided as a society aren't morally right to sell anymore." You want to argue that comics with sexualized women (or men, it doesn't matter who) aren't morally right to sell? Are you out of your mind? Let's go back to the fig leaf, shall we? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf Our society is becoming more and more prude again.
vilda 12y ago
That's the typical conflict between liberals and left wings in politics. The conflict between freedom and "good". In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side.
- icebraining 12y ago
  Sounds like an American problem to me. There's plenty of sexualization in works by authors with left-wing inclinations - though usually not so gratuitous like those comics. A good on-topic example is the comics series Louis La Guigne, which had sexualization (like this cover[1]) but a heavy left-wing slant (the protagonist, among other things, is involved in the resistances against the fascist and nazi regimes in Europe). [1] http://www.bede-news.com/public/images/vols/louis-guigne-automne-berlin-ancienne-edition.jpg http://www.bede-news.com/public/images/vols/louis-guigne-aut...
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  >> "In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side." To be clear I would never advocate against artistic freedom. The problem is with the big comic book companies. They should make the decision that they aren't going to sexualise women in comics for no good reason anymore. The artists who truly enjoy making that work can continue to do so at another company, through self-publishing etc.
  - unreal37 12y ago
    You can't just trample on people's rights because you disagree with them. Nor say "it's OK that it exists, it just can't be popular."
    - k-mcgrady 12y ago
      How is that trampling on anyones rights? Nobody has the right to be popular...
      - surge 12y ago
        Yes, yes, they do. Otherwise, I'd like to have Justin Beiber locked up in jail tomorrow. along with every other insipid pop artist and creators of other things I don't like. It's okay not to like things, its not okay to force people to stop doing things you don't like or keep those things from being popular because you have value differences. You're effectively using the same argument of people against same sex marriage. "This thing offends me and hurts my feelings/values, so others should be stopped from doing it." I like how the attempt at being progressive has come full circle to one of intolerance.
      - npizzolato 12y ago
        What? It's not the right to be popular. It's the right to artistic freedom, including sexualized comic books, regardless of whether or not you're popular.
        k-mcgrady 12y ago
facepalm 12y ago
"guys who, for some reason, enjoy seeing sexual cartoons" Yeah, that's really weird. What's up with that? But in seriousness, let's remain clear on what (supposed) problem you want to solve: men being interested in sexual attributes of women, or poor selection of comics that appeal to women? Those are not the same things.

Kenji 12y ago

"There have been markets for plenty of things that we decided as a society aren't morally right to sell anymore." You want to argue that comics with sexualized women (or men, it doesn't matter who) aren't morally right to sell? Are you out of your mind? Let's go back to the fig leaf, shall we? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf Our society is becoming more and more prude again.

vilda 12y ago

That's the typical conflict between liberals and left wings in politics. The conflict between freedom and "good". In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side.

icebraining 12y ago
Sounds like an American problem to me. There's plenty of sexualization in works by authors with left-wing inclinations - though usually not so gratuitous like those comics. A good on-topic example is the comics series Louis La Guigne, which had sexualization (like this cover[1]) but a heavy left-wing slant (the protagonist, among other things, is involved in the resistances against the fascist and nazi regimes in Europe). [1] http://www.bede-news.com/public/images/vols/louis-guigne-automne-berlin-ancienne-edition.jpg http://www.bede-news.com/public/images/vols/louis-guigne-aut...
k-mcgrady 12y ago
>> "In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side." To be clear I would never advocate against artistic freedom. The problem is with the big comic book companies. They should make the decision that they aren't going to sexualise women in comics for no good reason anymore. The artists who truly enjoy making that work can continue to do so at another company, through self-publishing etc.
- unreal37 12y ago
  You can't just trample on people's rights because you disagree with them. Nor say "it's OK that it exists, it just can't be popular."
  - k-mcgrady 12y ago
    How is that trampling on anyones rights? Nobody has the right to be popular...
    - surge 12y ago
      Yes, yes, they do. Otherwise, I'd like to have Justin Beiber locked up in jail tomorrow. along with every other insipid pop artist and creators of other things I don't like. It's okay not to like things, its not okay to force people to stop doing things you don't like or keep those things from being popular because you have value differences. You're effectively using the same argument of people against same sex marriage. "This thing offends me and hurts my feelings/values, so others should be stopped from doing it." I like how the attempt at being progressive has come full circle to one of intolerance.
    - npizzolato 12y ago
      What? It's not the right to be popular. It's the right to artistic freedom, including sexualized comic books, regardless of whether or not you're popular.
      - k-mcgrady 12y ago

facepalm 12y ago

"guys who, for some reason, enjoy seeing sexual cartoons" Yeah, that's really weird. What's up with that? But in seriousness, let's remain clear on what (supposed) problem you want to solve: men being interested in sexual attributes of women, or poor selection of comics that appeal to women? Those are not the same things.