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Why are you blaming Google, and not Samsung, HTC, LG? Aren't they the ones who produce software updates for their phones? I really don't see how Google is sto

Why are you blaming Google, and not Samsung, HTC, LG? Aren't they the ones who produce software updates for their phones? I really don't see how Google is stopping them from updating their handsets.

r00fus 12y ago
See the beauty of the situation is that they are all at fault. However, only one company makes the core OS software these hardware manufacturers run on. Perhaps if Google provided the update and the pressure could be put on the manufacturers to roll out the update to their paying customers...?
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- bestnameever 12y ago
  No. They are not all at fault. The only one's responsible for updating their phones are the companies supplying the phones. There is nothing stopping Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG from creating and submitting a patch to AOSP and they are the ones who actually have a responsibility to their customers to do so. There is also very little stopping them from updating their phones to 4.4. > is really all Google's fault because they let the carriers get away with it and have never reigned them in even after years of incompetence on the carriers' part. You are again blaming Google for the carriers policy of updating phones not even belonging to Google. Do you really think Google is involved with a carriers agreement to carry Samsung phones? Last time I checked, Nexus phone's can also be updated without the assistance of the carrier.
- Karunamon 12y ago
  That assumes that you can make enough consumers with these (relatively) older devices care loud enough for any "pressure" to be applied to the manufacturers. Security updates aren't sexy and don't get applied unless they include shiny things along with them.
  - r00fus 12y ago
    Right now, the customers have zero power because Google and the manufacturer simply point fingers at each other as to who's to blame. Releasing the update gives the customer power to press for pushing their manufacturers. The whole model where carriers or manufacturers can send updates is ridiculous. Carriers update baseband. Manufacturers should defer to google for Core OS updates and Google Play. The fact that they're even involved is simply a recipe for disappointment. It's bad for everyone because compromised machines simply reward and embolden the criminals which will eventually increase the harm to everyone who ins't a criminal.
throwawaykf05 12y ago
Look into the "Open" Handset Alliance (especially findings from the SkyHook lawsuit) to see how much control Google actually wields over manufacturers. Google controls what software and services are bundled with handsets (see SkyHook). Google prevents manufacturers from creating competing Android devices using forks of Android (see Acer; that's why the quotes around "Open"). If it cared at all, Google could easily require manufacturers to provide regular updates.

Why are you blaming Google, and not Samsung, HTC, LG? Aren't they the ones who produce software updates for their phones? I really don't see how Google is stopping them from updating their handsets.

r00fus 12y ago

See the beauty of the situation is that they are all at fault. However, only one company makes the core OS software these hardware manufacturers run on. Perhaps if Google provided the update and the pressure could be put on the manufacturers to roll out the update to their paying customers...?

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bestnameever 12y ago
No. They are not all at fault. The only one's responsible for updating their phones are the companies supplying the phones. There is nothing stopping Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG from creating and submitting a patch to AOSP and they are the ones who actually have a responsibility to their customers to do so. There is also very little stopping them from updating their phones to 4.4. > is really all Google's fault because they let the carriers get away with it and have never reigned them in even after years of incompetence on the carriers' part. You are again blaming Google for the carriers policy of updating phones not even belonging to Google. Do you really think Google is involved with a carriers agreement to carry Samsung phones? Last time I checked, Nexus phone's can also be updated without the assistance of the carrier.
Karunamon 12y ago
That assumes that you can make enough consumers with these (relatively) older devices care loud enough for any "pressure" to be applied to the manufacturers. Security updates aren't sexy and don't get applied unless they include shiny things along with them.
- r00fus 12y ago
  Right now, the customers have zero power because Google and the manufacturer simply point fingers at each other as to who's to blame. Releasing the update gives the customer power to press for pushing their manufacturers. The whole model where carriers or manufacturers can send updates is ridiculous. Carriers update baseband. Manufacturers should defer to google for Core OS updates and Google Play. The fact that they're even involved is simply a recipe for disappointment. It's bad for everyone because compromised machines simply reward and embolden the criminals which will eventually increase the harm to everyone who ins't a criminal.

throwawaykf05 12y ago

Look into the "Open" Handset Alliance (especially findings from the SkyHook lawsuit) to see how much control Google actually wields over manufacturers. Google controls what software and services are bundled with handsets (see SkyHook). Google prevents manufacturers from creating competing Android devices using forks of Android (see Acer; that's why the quotes around "Open"). If it cared at all, Google could easily require manufacturers to provide regular updates.