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If you start posting those, others will start posting Krugman or whoever on the left. Both will attract people not interested in hacker news. As I post this, t

by miked 17y ago

If you start posting those, others will start posting Krugman or whoever on the left. Both will attract people not interested in hacker news. As I post this, the number 3 article on HN is a Krugman piece which has nothing at all to do with software, so it looks like those will get posted anyway. Not only that, but Krugman is, as usual, late to the game. The dollars been getting hammered for a long time and he finally notices. This artice, however, at least uses the interwebs as an interesting example of a free market.

da01 17y ago
I agree. Krugman/NYTimes articles do not get a warning like the link above. The link above shows what happens when a series of tech innovations allows a group of people to interact with little to no Gov't intervention. That is a lot more interesting than the latest Krugman/NYTimes perspective on engineering a miracle recovery. However, I also agree that Mises.org links do not belong on Hacker News. The HN audience, like most Americans, seems to have embraced the idea that you can engineer economic miracles. Anything remotely related to Mises.org is slapped with a warning. This is Neo-Keynesian town, buddy. No Miseans need apply. Try post-2012. That's when some Austrian sympathizers are predicting The Greatest Depression. People, even on HN, will be more open to the Austrian POV then. (Maybe even to the Hoppean view. Oh joy!) Meanwhile, I'm going back to this Celente PDF linked on LRC. It mentions micro-farming as a growth industry.
davidw 17y ago
I flagged that one too. > This artice, however, at least uses the interwebs as an interesting example of a free market. And doesn't mention that the hated, loathed government was the one that actually created it. They also don't mention some of the more problematic businesses on the internet such as as spyware, botnets, DOS extortion and so on. But when it all comes down to it, just like Krugman's columns, they're pushing a political point of view, which is why I don't think either one belongs here.
- da01 17y ago
  The gov't had to fund the early beginnings of the Internet because it took so much out of the economy to fund Moon/Space/Spy satellite programs against an enemy that could barely produce a decent TV set. They even took a small army of scientists and engineers out of the economy. This does not even include the telecom regulations preventing competition and innovation during the 50s through 80s. MCI prospered and gave AT&T competition after some regulations were dropped. When the Gov't takes so much, it's no wonder why scientists/engineers needed it as sugar daddy back then: That's where all the money was. > spyware, botnets, DOS extortion and so on We have a market to develop countermeasures: YCombinator and its copycats. The last place you would want protection is from the same gov't that still has problems running the post office and Amtrak. > the hated, loathed government was the one that actually created it. The Gov't also used private firms and pre-existing innovations from the market to develop a lot of the programs. Mises.org has published articles about NASA and related programs using pre-existing technologies from the market. The growth of the Internet and Web also came when the Gov't de-regulated large portions of it. > they're pushing a political point of view True. Their political POV is: get politicians out of lives, businesses, and private property.

by miked 17y ago

da01 17y ago

I agree. Krugman/NYTimes articles do not get a warning like the link above. The link above shows what happens when a series of tech innovations allows a group of people to interact with little to no Gov't intervention. That is a lot more interesting than the latest Krugman/NYTimes perspective on engineering a miracle recovery. However, I also agree that Mises.org links do not belong on Hacker News. The HN audience, like most Americans, seems to have embraced the idea that you can engineer economic miracles. Anything remotely related to Mises.org is slapped with a warning. This is Neo-Keynesian town, buddy. No Miseans need apply. Try post-2012. That's when some Austrian sympathizers are predicting The Greatest Depression. People, even on HN, will be more open to the Austrian POV then. (Maybe even to the Hoppean view. Oh joy!) Meanwhile, I'm going back to this Celente PDF linked on LRC. It mentions micro-farming as a growth industry.

davidw 17y ago

I flagged that one too. > This artice, however, at least uses the interwebs as an interesting example of a free market. And doesn't mention that the hated, loathed government was the one that actually created it. They also don't mention some of the more problematic businesses on the internet such as as spyware, botnets, DOS extortion and so on. But when it all comes down to it, just like Krugman's columns, they're pushing a political point of view, which is why I don't think either one belongs here.

da01 17y ago
The gov't had to fund the early beginnings of the Internet because it took so much out of the economy to fund Moon/Space/Spy satellite programs against an enemy that could barely produce a decent TV set. They even took a small army of scientists and engineers out of the economy. This does not even include the telecom regulations preventing competition and innovation during the 50s through 80s. MCI prospered and gave AT&T competition after some regulations were dropped. When the Gov't takes so much, it's no wonder why scientists/engineers needed it as sugar daddy back then: That's where all the money was. > spyware, botnets, DOS extortion and so on We have a market to develop countermeasures: YCombinator and its copycats. The last place you would want protection is from the same gov't that still has problems running the post office and Amtrak. > the hated, loathed government was the one that actually created it. The Gov't also used private firms and pre-existing innovations from the market to develop a lot of the programs. Mises.org has published articles about NASA and related programs using pre-existing technologies from the market. The growth of the Internet and Web also came when the Gov't de-regulated large portions of it. > they're pushing a political point of view True. Their political POV is: get politicians out of lives, businesses, and private property.