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Breaking News: Mark Karpeles says that Ross Ulbricht is responsible for Mt. Gox theft, was actually the CEO of the the failed exchange the whole time. That sai

by jlrubin 12y ago

Breaking News: Mark Karpeles says that Ross Ulbricht is responsible for Mt. Gox theft, was actually the CEO of the the failed exchange the whole time. That said, this is actually a great defense.

danielweber 12y ago
It's one thing to falsely claim you didn't do it. It's another thing entirely to falsely claim someone else did it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistaken_identity#SODDI_Defense http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistaken_identity#SODDI_Defense
- tedunangst 12y ago
  Wikipedia doesn't cite any examples or references for the claim that it's illegal to blame somebody else. In the US, you have pretty wide latitude to say what you want in court. The closest example I can think of is Amanda Knox, who was prosecuted for slander for suggesting that the police investigators didn't do their job properly as part of her defense. That happened in Italy, however.
  - rnovak 12y ago
    It is by definition Slander/Defamation (depending on the medium) to make a provable statement against someone else without substantiation. Meaning, if you claim someone is AKA someone else, that is a provable statement. Saying someone is an asshole is not a provable statement. EFF has a good article on this[1], they call it a 'statement of fact'. From what I understand though, the defense was trying to IMPLY rather than outright, or rather, just bring up a reasonable alternate explanation. [1]https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamati... Edit: Seriously? It's an informative post, why the downvote hate?
    - x0x0 12y ago
      testimony in court and court filings is, as far as I know, absolutely privileged with respect to defamation -- even if it is false If for no other reason, this is necessary so that a trial doesn't devolve into an endless cycle of suit and counter-suit
    - deciplex 12y ago
      > Edit: Seriously? It's an informative post, why the downvote hate? This is getting to be a rather annoying issue with HN for the past six months or so. You will often get 2 or 3 downvotes very soon after posting, for no apparent reason, and seldom will anyone actually take the time to make a post explaining their objection to your post and why they downvoted it (and, FYI and FWIW, those of you who downvote posts solely to express disagreement, are dumb assholes and you don't belong here - GTFO). For what it's worth, if I see grey text now I reflexively give it an upvote regardless of content. The voting system here is so dysfunctional now, that all text should at least be black. Edit: And, yes, 'ironic' downvotes for talking about the downvoting brigade in the first place, are the best kind of downvotes. They do not stop me from posting about it - I take downvotes on HN as an indicator that I'm on the right track, so vote away.
      - jnbiche 12y ago
        >This is getting to be a rather annoying issue with HN for the past six months or so. Yeah, I agree, but I think it's been more like a year now. The immediate downvotes are so striking in their regularity that I suspected they may be automated (now I think it's unlikely). So to the GP: I wouldn't worry about quick downvotes. Unless your post is obviously trolling or a low-content Reddit-like comment (which yours was not), it's highly likely it will be upvoted back into the black (and indeed, yours is in the black now).
- rst 12y ago
  So far, they seem to be claiming that US law enforcement thought someone else was a viable suspect -- and they've got internal LE memos to back that up.
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Zancarius 12y ago
I'm glad to see someone else thinking along those same lines. Unlikely, but the possibilities in this case are hilariously endless. The odd thing is that it does raise some suspicions with Mt. Gox, the bitcoin theft, Silk Road, etc. As moyix points out below[1], Karpeles apparently registered silkroadmarket.org. It's a strange little world. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8896016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8896016
- ballpoint 12y ago
  I guess the case will get pretty bogged down in the mysterious Mt Gox happenings now.
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- bhouston 12y ago
  Did he register silkroadmarket after the known existence of silk road? If so it could just be a domain squatting attempt for marketing purposes (e.g. "thinking of using silkroad? come first to mtgox, the best place to convert your $ to Btc".)
  - mintplant 12y ago
    silkroadmarket.org was registered on February 28, 2011 [1]. According to a forum post [2], Silk Road was launched around three weeks before March 1, 2011. [1] http://who.is/domain-history/silkroadmarket.org http://who.is/domain-history/silkroadmarket.org [2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.msg57086#msg57086 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.msg57086#msg570...
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- mintplant 12y ago
  The Wayback Machine has an archived copy of silkroadmarket.org from 2011. http://web.archive.org/web/20110304201806/http://silkroadmarket.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/20110304201806/http://silkroadmar... It's signed by "-Silk Road staff" at the bottom. If this site was really owned by Karpeles, then he definitely had something to do with Silk Road, whether or not he was DPR.
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by jlrubin 12y ago

Breaking News: Mark Karpeles says that Ross Ulbricht is responsible for Mt. Gox theft, was actually the CEO of the the failed exchange the whole time. That said, this is actually a great defense.

danielweber 12y ago

It's one thing to falsely claim you didn't do it. It's another thing entirely to falsely claim someone else did it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistaken_identity#SODDI_Defense http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistaken_identity#SODDI_Defense

tedunangst 12y ago
Wikipedia doesn't cite any examples or references for the claim that it's illegal to blame somebody else. In the US, you have pretty wide latitude to say what you want in court. The closest example I can think of is Amanda Knox, who was prosecuted for slander for suggesting that the police investigators didn't do their job properly as part of her defense. That happened in Italy, however.
- rnovak 12y ago
  It is by definition Slander/Defamation (depending on the medium) to make a provable statement against someone else without substantiation. Meaning, if you claim someone is AKA someone else, that is a provable statement. Saying someone is an asshole is not a provable statement. EFF has a good article on this[1], they call it a 'statement of fact'. From what I understand though, the defense was trying to IMPLY rather than outright, or rather, just bring up a reasonable alternate explanation. [1]https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamati... Edit: Seriously? It's an informative post, why the downvote hate?
  - x0x0 12y ago
    testimony in court and court filings is, as far as I know, absolutely privileged with respect to defamation -- even if it is false If for no other reason, this is necessary so that a trial doesn't devolve into an endless cycle of suit and counter-suit
  - deciplex 12y ago
    > Edit: Seriously? It's an informative post, why the downvote hate? This is getting to be a rather annoying issue with HN for the past six months or so. You will often get 2 or 3 downvotes very soon after posting, for no apparent reason, and seldom will anyone actually take the time to make a post explaining their objection to your post and why they downvoted it (and, FYI and FWIW, those of you who downvote posts solely to express disagreement, are dumb assholes and you don't belong here - GTFO). For what it's worth, if I see grey text now I reflexively give it an upvote regardless of content. The voting system here is so dysfunctional now, that all text should at least be black. Edit: And, yes, 'ironic' downvotes for talking about the downvoting brigade in the first place, are the best kind of downvotes. They do not stop me from posting about it - I take downvotes on HN as an indicator that I'm on the right track, so vote away.
    - jnbiche 12y ago
      >This is getting to be a rather annoying issue with HN for the past six months or so. Yeah, I agree, but I think it's been more like a year now. The immediate downvotes are so striking in their regularity that I suspected they may be automated (now I think it's unlikely). So to the GP: I wouldn't worry about quick downvotes. Unless your post is obviously trolling or a low-content Reddit-like comment (which yours was not), it's highly likely it will be upvoted back into the black (and indeed, yours is in the black now).
rst 12y ago
So far, they seem to be claiming that US law enforcement thought someone else was a viable suspect -- and they've got internal LE memos to back that up.

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Zancarius 12y ago

I'm glad to see someone else thinking along those same lines. Unlikely, but the possibilities in this case are hilariously endless. The odd thing is that it does raise some suspicions with Mt. Gox, the bitcoin theft, Silk Road, etc. As moyix points out below[1], Karpeles apparently registered silkroadmarket.org. It's a strange little world. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8896016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8896016

ballpoint 12y ago
I guess the case will get pretty bogged down in the mysterious Mt Gox happenings now.
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bhouston 12y ago
Did he register silkroadmarket after the known existence of silk road? If so it could just be a domain squatting attempt for marketing purposes (e.g. "thinking of using silkroad? come first to mtgox, the best place to convert your $ to Btc".)
- mintplant 12y ago
  silkroadmarket.org was registered on February 28, 2011 [1]. According to a forum post [2], Silk Road was launched around three weeks before March 1, 2011. [1] http://who.is/domain-history/silkroadmarket.org http://who.is/domain-history/silkroadmarket.org [2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.msg57086#msg57086 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.msg57086#msg570...
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mintplant 12y ago
The Wayback Machine has an archived copy of silkroadmarket.org from 2011. http://web.archive.org/web/20110304201806/http://silkroadmarket.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/20110304201806/http://silkroadmar... It's signed by "-Silk Road staff" at the bottom. If this site was really owned by Karpeles, then he definitely had something to do with Silk Road, whether or not he was DPR.

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