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The creative economy, signed originals and blockchain technology

7 points by bernardlunn 12y ago

danboarder 12y ago
Yes it's a great idea, and in the OP article he asks "Is anybody working on this?" The answer is yes - there is a proof of concept illustrated in this article: https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party-magazine/who-made-could-digitally-registered-images-be-future-creators https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party-magazine/who-made-could... And others are working on this as a service for many uses, including signing artwork, see BT Proof, for example: https://www.btproof.com/ https://www.btproof.com/
- bernardlunn 12y ago
  thanks. I see one other attempt, covered in another HN thread - not yet released though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854818
anigbrowl 12y ago
It's a good idea for licensing but there's nothing special about a digital original because it's not aesthetically different from the reproductions. You have a Picasso, you can put your nose up to it and stare at the brushstrokes, take it off the wall and look at the back of the canvas, stick your elbow through it and so on. You take an original Shakespeare folio, you can look at the curve of his handwriting and the food stains on the corners and so on. a blockchain-certified document is qualitatively different, but the experience of examining it is not; it's texture-less and cannot even offer a sense of intimacy-by-proxy.
- bernardlunn 12y ago
  nothing ever is quite the same in move from analog to digital, but yes it is harder to see the use cases in digital
  - anigbrowl 12y ago
    Thinking about it this morning while looking at some art I had made, I suppose you could think of the original in the case of a Photoshop document that had all the original layers, edit history and so on included in the file. But I'm not sure I see them selling for large sums.
patio11 12y ago
We could call that technology "Bitcoin DRM."
- danboarder 12y ago
  Except it is informative rather than preventing copying. So people can freely copy but won't have the certified 'original'.
  - bernardlunn 12y ago
    That is interesting. Asserting "I created this" and having that validated, is different from saying how I want to control that.
samcassatt 12y ago
Monegraph (Kevin McCoy) is working on roughly this - http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/09/monegraph/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/09/monegraph/

7 points by bernardlunn 12y ago

Yes it's a great idea, and in the OP article he asks "Is anybody working on this?" The answer is yes - there is a proof of concept illustrated in this article: https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party-magazine/who-made-could-digitally-registered-images-be-future-creators https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party-magazine/who-made-could... And others are working on this as a service for many uses, including signing artwork, see BT Proof, for example: https://www.btproof.com/ https://www.btproof.com/

bernardlunn 12y ago
thanks. I see one other attempt, covered in another HN thread - not yet released though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854818

anigbrowl 12y ago

It's a good idea for licensing but there's nothing special about a digital original because it's not aesthetically different from the reproductions. You have a Picasso, you can put your nose up to it and stare at the brushstrokes, take it off the wall and look at the back of the canvas, stick your elbow through it and so on. You take an original Shakespeare folio, you can look at the curve of his handwriting and the food stains on the corners and so on. a blockchain-certified document is qualitatively different, but the experience of examining it is not; it's texture-less and cannot even offer a sense of intimacy-by-proxy.

bernardlunn 12y ago
nothing ever is quite the same in move from analog to digital, but yes it is harder to see the use cases in digital
- anigbrowl 12y ago
  Thinking about it this morning while looking at some art I had made, I suppose you could think of the original in the case of a Photoshop document that had all the original layers, edit history and so on included in the file. But I'm not sure I see them selling for large sums.

patio11 12y ago

We could call that technology "Bitcoin DRM."

danboarder 12y ago
Except it is informative rather than preventing copying. So people can freely copy but won't have the certified 'original'.
- bernardlunn 12y ago
  That is interesting. Asserting "I created this" and having that validated, is different from saying how I want to control that.

samcassatt 12y ago

Monegraph (Kevin McCoy) is working on roughly this - http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/09/monegraph/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/09/monegraph/