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It is really perfectible for French<->Mandarin at least. You actually have to translate both sentences into English to understand how they somewhat mean the sa
by seszett 12y ago
It is really perfectible for French<->Mandarin at least.
You actually have to translate both sentences into English to understand how they somewhat mean the same thing when taken literally (but that's just the same problem as on translate.google.com)
- pimlottc 12y ago> It is really perfectible for French<->Mandarin at least. You might prefer to say "imperfect" instead of "perfectible". While "perfectible" is a, well, perfectly good word, it is unusually rare enough that I thought you had meant to say "perfect" and made an error. "imperfect" is much more common and less likely to be misinterpreted. Apologies for the unsolicited criticism but I really was confused by this at first.
- jessedhillon 12y agoYeah, the similar English sentiment would be "it could be better" or "leaves a lot to be desired"
- MarkPNeyer 12y agoit was the perfect word choice to illustrate translation difficulty
- Florin_Andrei 12y agoTrue, but "really perfectible" sounds strange.
- sfeng 12y agoThat's his point
- reacweb 12y agoIt sounds strange in english. Saying "c'est perfectible" in french is correct and usual. It is translated by google translate into "This is perfectible". As usual, google translate is very poor.
- magicalist 12y agoThe irony being the poster above used that exact translation themselves? Translation is difficult, and at least in this case the translation is an accurate one (albeit one many english speakers would need to look up in a dictionary).
- Florin_Andrei 12y agoFunny thing is, English is not my first language. I guess it sounds a bit weird even in my mother tongue.
- beobab 12y agoI've laboured under the misapprehension that it was spelt "perfectable" for my entire life.
- syllogism 12y agoI don't know whether they have a specific French <--> Chinese model. They might, they might not. It's hard to train for all n^2 language pairs, so MT systems usually back off to English as a pivot language. i.e., they'll translate French --> English --> Chinese.
- dragonwriter 12y ago> so MT systems usually back off to English as a pivot language That's an interesting choice, because English lacks features some other languages might have, and thus you end up distorting through English. I remember considerable work from different sources a ways back toward a constructing artificial languages for this purpose so to mitigate the introduction of ambiguity by using an existing natural language as a pivot language, I'm surprised that natural language as the pivot is the state of the art (though I'm not surprised that English is the pivot language given that.)
- syllogism 12y agoIt's just weight of research hours, and weight of data. Our English numbers are almost always better in NLP.
- ogrisel 12y agoNew neural machine translation architectures are experimenting with pairs of neural encoders / decoders, one pair for each language and a shared language independent vector space for the meaning of all words: http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.1078 http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.1078 http://arxiv.org/abs/1409.3215 http://arxiv.org/abs/1409.3215 http://arxiv.org/abs/1410.8206 http://arxiv.org/abs/1410.8206 So the total number of models is still linear with the number of languages. I do not know whether this new generation of translation models is leveraged by the google translation app though. Also pairs of languages for which their are big amount of parallel training data will still be favored.
- rancur 12y ago> Also pairs of languages for which their are big amount of parallel training data will still be favored. wouldn't bible translations help?