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Regarding your contention that there is a large class of qualified engineers who are somehow unable to find work, I just don't buy it. If the reason they can't

Regarding your contention that there is a large class of qualified engineers who are somehow unable to find work, I just don't buy it. If the reason they can't find work is because employers are unwilling to offer relocation, why on earth would those employers be pursuing the even more costly and complicated relocation of foreign workers? In general, I genuinely think there is a domestic talent shortage. Of the talented developers I talk to about new opportunities, a majority are overseas—if we could bring them in easily, we'd readily do so (and pay them market rate). But the visa process is so tenuous and expensive at this point that it's incredibly challenging for startups to even consider that route. Moreover, I'll put my money where my mouth is. You say you're a capable engineer. If you email morgante@cafe.com and convince me of that, I'd be happy to offer (a) relocation, (b) training in our stack, and (c) NYC market salary.

nostromo 12y ago
> I'll put my money where my mouth is. [...] market salary That's his point though. Salaries should rise. If you can't find an employee at the market rate, it's no longer the market rate and you need to pay more, or get creative. I'd like to buy AAPL shares at last year's market rate, but I'm having a hard time finding any takers.
- morgante 12y ago
  > If you can't find an employee at the market rate, it's no longer the market rate and you need to pay more, or get creative. We actually pay slightly above market. Not dramatically, because that would be untenable for VCs and business stakeholders, but incrementally—over time, that's how prices should increase.
fivedogit 12y ago
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djb_hackernews 12y ago
I'm not sure which positions/skills you are hiring for but are you saying you can't find any talented developers at any price? I consider myself an experienced and well rounded developer that is happy with my current position but I'd still jump ship if the price were right and I'm pretty sure I'm not unique.

nostromo 12y ago

> I'll put my money where my mouth is. [...] market salary That's his point though. Salaries should rise. If you can't find an employee at the market rate, it's no longer the market rate and you need to pay more, or get creative. I'd like to buy AAPL shares at last year's market rate, but I'm having a hard time finding any takers.

morgante 12y ago
> If you can't find an employee at the market rate, it's no longer the market rate and you need to pay more, or get creative. We actually pay slightly above market. Not dramatically, because that would be untenable for VCs and business stakeholders, but incrementally—over time, that's how prices should increase.

fivedogit 12y ago

I accept your challenge. My latest project is a chrome extension for Hacker News. Let me know what you think. http://hackbook.club http://hackbook.club http://github.com/fivedogit/hackbook-chromex http://github.com/fivedogit/hackbook-chromex http://github.com/fivedogit/hackbook-backend-SQL http://github.com/fivedogit/hackbook-backend-SQL

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djb_hackernews 12y ago

I'm not sure which positions/skills you are hiring for but are you saying you can't find any talented developers at any price? I consider myself an experienced and well rounded developer that is happy with my current position but I'd still jump ship if the price were right and I'm pretty sure I'm not unique.