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Of course you would. Of course you are. I'm sure you don't believe there are any social issues that cannot be solved with the healing power of the holy market.

by blfr 12y ago

Of course you would. Of course you are. I'm sure you don't believe there are any social issues that cannot be solved with the healing power of the holy market. I don't understand your condescending attitude or why it's preferred by voters over a regular argument. Especially when you believe that the issue is the cost of education. Auctioning off work permits would allow the country receiving immigrants to pay off the government which paid for their education. You talk about social issues and then pick the one easiest to address with a market solution. This is the least problem here.

crdoconnor 12y ago
>I don't understand your condescending attitude yummyfajitas' neoliberal market-first, capital-first views are fairly predictable. The idea that markets will always solve social issues better than any other means is such a deeply held, religious belief that he doesn't even think to try and justify his opinion. He feels that merely voicing it is sufficient to convince. So I tease him about it. >Especially when you believe that the issue is the cost of education. Auctioning off work permits would allow the country receiving immigrants to pay off the government which paid for their education. I don't see that happening, ever. Auctions, sure. America giving India enough money to cover the education of the citizens who emigrate to the US? Not a chance. >You talk about social issues and then pick the one easiest to address with a market solution. I don't see how auctioning off work permits solves any social issues. Frankly it sounds eerily similar to Dubai/Qatar-style indentured servitude where the construction workers take out loans to get a job paying a few dollars a day and have to work for months effectively for free to pay back that debt. Well, I guess if the social issue was "we want more dubai style indentured servitude"...
- yummyfajitas 12y ago
  Auctioning off work visas is pretty easy. The worker applies for a visa to the US government, which accepts a $30k bid. The worker shifts to the US and works for anyone they like. The US Govt takes $10k extra from their paycheck in taxes every year for 3 years. Solving your Dubai problems is pretty easy. If India is really worried about people leaving after getting educated, they can restrict emigration like the GDR, Soviet Union and North Korea. Of course, there are bigger problems we should worry about. I was educated in NJ but then immigrated to NY. Maybe NY also needs to restrict immigration from the B&T crowd, solely for the benefit of NJ, of course?
  - crdoconnor 12y ago
    >Auctioning off work visas is pretty easy. It certainly is. That's not the point. >The US Govt takes $10k extra from their paycheck in taxes every year for 3 years. Solving your Dubai problems is pretty easy. The Dubai problem is that the workers are forced to take a loan in order to work. Your idea does not solve it, it creates it. >If India is really worried about people leaving after getting educated, they can restrict emigration like the GDR, Soviet Union and North Korea. That worked out wonderfully for those countries, didn't it? >Of course, there are bigger problems we should worry about. I was educated in NJ but then immigrated to NY. Maybe NY also needs to restrict immigration from the B&T crowd, solely for the benefit of NJ, of course? Depends if NY decides to secede from the union. Do you think that's likely? Or do you think that citizens of both states will continue to pay taxes to the same IRS and be governed by the same federal legislature? Hey, maybe the US should merge and become an Indian state to allow for unbridled immigration. How would you feel about following their laws and paying taxes to Delhi?
    - jimbobimbo 12y ago
      Govt could have companies bid salary offers on H1-Bs. There's a concept of prevailing wage currently - use it as a base, have companies raise it, until they either pay something close to real market, or are not getting the worker. Thoughts?
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by blfr 12y ago

crdoconnor 12y ago

>I don't understand your condescending attitude yummyfajitas' neoliberal market-first, capital-first views are fairly predictable. The idea that markets will always solve social issues better than any other means is such a deeply held, religious belief that he doesn't even think to try and justify his opinion. He feels that merely voicing it is sufficient to convince. So I tease him about it. >Especially when you believe that the issue is the cost of education. Auctioning off work permits would allow the country receiving immigrants to pay off the government which paid for their education. I don't see that happening, ever. Auctions, sure. America giving India enough money to cover the education of the citizens who emigrate to the US? Not a chance. >You talk about social issues and then pick the one easiest to address with a market solution. I don't see how auctioning off work permits solves any social issues. Frankly it sounds eerily similar to Dubai/Qatar-style indentured servitude where the construction workers take out loans to get a job paying a few dollars a day and have to work for months effectively for free to pay back that debt. Well, I guess if the social issue was "we want more dubai style indentured servitude"...

yummyfajitas 12y ago
Auctioning off work visas is pretty easy. The worker applies for a visa to the US government, which accepts a $30k bid. The worker shifts to the US and works for anyone they like. The US Govt takes $10k extra from their paycheck in taxes every year for 3 years. Solving your Dubai problems is pretty easy. If India is really worried about people leaving after getting educated, they can restrict emigration like the GDR, Soviet Union and North Korea. Of course, there are bigger problems we should worry about. I was educated in NJ but then immigrated to NY. Maybe NY also needs to restrict immigration from the B&T crowd, solely for the benefit of NJ, of course?
- crdoconnor 12y ago
  >Auctioning off work visas is pretty easy. It certainly is. That's not the point. >The US Govt takes $10k extra from their paycheck in taxes every year for 3 years. Solving your Dubai problems is pretty easy. The Dubai problem is that the workers are forced to take a loan in order to work. Your idea does not solve it, it creates it. >If India is really worried about people leaving after getting educated, they can restrict emigration like the GDR, Soviet Union and North Korea. That worked out wonderfully for those countries, didn't it? >Of course, there are bigger problems we should worry about. I was educated in NJ but then immigrated to NY. Maybe NY also needs to restrict immigration from the B&T crowd, solely for the benefit of NJ, of course? Depends if NY decides to secede from the union. Do you think that's likely? Or do you think that citizens of both states will continue to pay taxes to the same IRS and be governed by the same federal legislature? Hey, maybe the US should merge and become an Indian state to allow for unbridled immigration. How would you feel about following their laws and paying taxes to Delhi?
  - jimbobimbo 12y ago
    Govt could have companies bid salary offers on H1-Bs. There's a concept of prevailing wage currently - use it as a base, have companies raise it, until they either pay something close to real market, or are not getting the worker. Thoughts?
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