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I don't think he got "thrown under the bus" - he moved to a position were others did not want to defend him or even just keep on. Unsurprisingly, I would add, h

by Argorak 12y ago

I don't think he got "thrown under the bus" - he moved to a position were others did not want to defend him or even just keep on. Unsurprisingly, I would add, he should know the other people. Still, the inclusion shows that not all bridges are burned, which makes me happy.

chappi42 12y ago
I don't see truth in your statement that core people did not want to defend him. Shitstorm happened mostly by outsiders/ignorants. He didn't want to continue in such a climate. Joyent wrote a blog post that ruined their reputation. - Good net effect one year later is that node might free themself from Joyent and become much more open/inclusive.
- Argorak 12y ago
  My comment starts with "I (don't) think". Feel free to think otherwise, but my statement has truth - I know what I think.
- ldng 12y ago
  Could someone make (or provide a link to) a summary of the melodrama for outsiders ? It being not too partisan for one side or the other would be a plus.
  - honksillet 12y ago
    I was interested myself, so I did a little google-foo. So Ben Noorddhuis was a major contributor to NodeJS and a volunteer (that is, not a Joyent employee). It turns out Ben rejected a pull request that would have made pronoun in the document gender neutral. The documents were already grammatically correct, but whoever made the pull request had a political preference for using a non masculine pronoun. Ben rightly saw this a trivial change. But the political harpies made an issue of it. Joyent put an embarrassing and immature blog posting which essentially called Ben an "Asshole" and said that if he was an employee he'd be fired. https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Ben, on the other hand, handled himself quite well. https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286
    - nilliams 12y ago
      Wow I'd never actually read that Joyent post, it is truly ridiculous!
    - chews 12y ago
      Wow. I really cannot understand how you see Joyent's actions as immature and embarrassing. The request is/was/remains a relevant one. Language is important, it is after all the one of the few tools to describe percieved reality.
      - birdsareweird 12y ago
        Because everyone who doesn't live in one of the SJW/progressivist cult bastions realizes that: a) Talk is cheap, action matters, and the PC police's main strategy is to complain until other people change, instead of enacting change themselves. Accommodating them is useless, they will simply find something new to complain about. Apologies are always insufficient, defiance is considered a declaration of war. b) Language is indeed important, and redefining concepts like "privilege", "misogyny" and "harassment" to mean whatever the club of the perpetually offended thinks they mean is damaging to sane discourse.
      - _greim_ 12y ago
        Ben Noordhuis's primary language isn't English, and he was following established PR protocol, so I think he should be given a little bit of leeway.

by Argorak 12y ago

chappi42 12y ago

I don't see truth in your statement that core people did not want to defend him. Shitstorm happened mostly by outsiders/ignorants. He didn't want to continue in such a climate. Joyent wrote a blog post that ruined their reputation. - Good net effect one year later is that node might free themself from Joyent and become much more open/inclusive.

Argorak 12y ago
My comment starts with "I (don't) think". Feel free to think otherwise, but my statement has truth - I know what I think.
ldng 12y ago
Could someone make (or provide a link to) a summary of the melodrama for outsiders ? It being not too partisan for one side or the other would be a plus.
- honksillet 12y ago
  I was interested myself, so I did a little google-foo. So Ben Noorddhuis was a major contributor to NodeJS and a volunteer (that is, not a Joyent employee). It turns out Ben rejected a pull request that would have made pronoun in the document gender neutral. The documents were already grammatically correct, but whoever made the pull request had a political preference for using a non masculine pronoun. Ben rightly saw this a trivial change. But the political harpies made an issue of it. Joyent put an embarrassing and immature blog posting which essentially called Ben an "Asshole" and said that if he was an employee he'd be fired. https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Ben, on the other hand, handled himself quite well. https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286
  - nilliams 12y ago
    Wow I'd never actually read that Joyent post, it is truly ridiculous!
  - chews 12y ago
    Wow. I really cannot understand how you see Joyent's actions as immature and embarrassing. The request is/was/remains a relevant one. Language is important, it is after all the one of the few tools to describe percieved reality.
    - birdsareweird 12y ago
      Because everyone who doesn't live in one of the SJW/progressivist cult bastions realizes that: a) Talk is cheap, action matters, and the PC police's main strategy is to complain until other people change, instead of enacting change themselves. Accommodating them is useless, they will simply find something new to complain about. Apologies are always insufficient, defiance is considered a declaration of war. b) Language is indeed important, and redefining concepts like "privilege", "misogyny" and "harassment" to mean whatever the club of the perpetually offended thinks they mean is damaging to sane discourse.
    - _greim_ 12y ago
      Ben Noordhuis's primary language isn't English, and he was following established PR protocol, so I think he should be given a little bit of leeway.