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what's a transaction in this context?

• jacquesm 12y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_processing_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_processing_system
  • halayli 12y ago
    I know that but this is a very general definition of TPS. How many CPU cycles a transaction requires? It varies on the transaction of course. So I am wondering why they use TPS as a unit when it can be anything.
    • jacquesm 12y ago
      They use TPS as a unit because that's how large banks and other transaction oriented entities do their provisioning and capacity planning. That's their 'unit', not CPU cycles.
      • halayli 12y ago
        But how can they claim they can do X transactions when a transaction's processing requirement is undefined?
        • Someone 12y ago
          There are industry-standard benchmarks that measure TPS. See for example (or maybe not even for example; it may be effectively the only one in town) http://www.tpc.org/information/benchmarks.asp http://www.tpc.org/information/benchmarks.asp. And of course, anybody considering buying such a machine will spend quite a bit on evaluating how it performs under their load, just like SPEC (https://www.spec.org/ https://www.spec.org/) says something, but not all.
          • halayli 12y ago
            I've looked at the tpc.org maybe 13 years ago. It never made sense to me to use it as a measurement unit back then and it still don't make sense to me now. :)
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        • vans 12y ago
          Because they are not arguing with scientists but with "decision makers". So bullshit is more important than proven facts... Tanksfully, banks are moving slowly out of mainframes. You'll never find a new business going on a mainframe. Mainframes users are captive, not free.
    • DonHopkins 12y ago
      How many TPS Reports per second can it issue?
    • TallGuyShort 12y ago
      You're thinking very much in terms of a PC architecture. Many components of the mainframe including a lot of the I/O hardware and some instructions in the assembly language itself are record oriented, and within reasonable limits operate on an entire record at once. It's not that big of a jump to go from entire records being atomic operations to at least speaking about entire transactions being the basic, atomic units of computation in the system.
      • halayli 12y ago
        Define a record. Also can you elaborate more on how ASM instructions can be record oriented?
        • TallGuyShort 12y ago
          Like a row in a table. I/O instructions in S/360 (as I recall) assembler would fetch an entire record in a single instruction / cycle (the I/O devices are radically different and would support this - it wasn't just syntactic sugar around reading a word or byte at a time). So the time to read in a record, perform some operations and write a record back out is actually much more predictable based on clock speed than it sounds like it would be to someone from a PC background.
          • halayli 12y ago
            to the CPU, what's a row and what's a table in this context.
            • TallGuyShort 12y ago
              Row and table would be the database terminology. In mainframes you have records in datasets, but they're the same thing: tuples of fields. It's just that in a mainframe to maximize throughout a lot of the work like dealing with natively supported data formats is offloaded to special I/O controllers, which makes it easier to work with via low-level assembly instructions.