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It's a fork of node.js with ES6 support. The goal is a faster release cycle and an updated V8 engine, plus an "open governance model" as opposed to Joyent's dom

It's a fork of node.js with ES6 support. The goal is a faster release cycle and an updated V8 engine, plus an "open governance model" as opposed to Joyent's domination of node.js prime. https://github.com/iojs/io.js https://github.com/iojs/io.js Current Project Team Members ============================ Isaac Z. Schlueter Ben Noordhuis Bert Belder Fedor Indutny Trevor Norris Chris Dickinson Colin Ihrig Mikeal Rogers Rod Vagg

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silversupreme 12y ago
I find Ben's inclusion on this list interesting, given his history with Joyent/the node community.
- nevi-me 12y ago
  Even though he stopped being part of core, he has remained active in Node.js development. It's part of his job at StrongLoop I suppose. A fresh start with an open governance model at least should mean that most politics are set aside.
  - throwaway432324 12y ago
    I hope so. Pretty much everyone on that list except isaac and mikeal are apolitical. Mikeal is overtly political. Isaac is political from time to time since he's strongly aligned with the identity politics mob that attacked ben noordhuis back in the day. I really hope identity politics doesn't creep into the io.js governance.
    - notsony 12y ago
      How do we know that Isaac identifies as a "he" ?
    - untog 12y ago
      A great way to stop identity politics becoming an issue is to bring it up unprompted through a throwaway account on Hacker News. Anonymously singling out specific members of the community that you dislike and labeling them as bad actors is particularly helpful. Oh, wait...
  - kroosaidher 12y ago
    Except "identity politics" aka inclusiveness are at the heart of their open governance model... Or did you miss the drama over their code of conduct; that they were going to one and how they solicited and followed advice from noted social justice advocates in drafting it. It confuses me deeply that this fact could turn people off of the project regardless of its other practical and technical merits.
- _greim_ 12y ago
  I felt like he got thrown under the bus with that whole uproar, and was glad to see him in there.
  - malandrew 12y ago
    With 1098 commits to libuv, which represents 35.2% of all commits to that project and the most number of commits from any single individual, and 1409 commits to node (13.8%, 3rd after Ryan Dahl and Isaac Schlueter), I'd say that him "getting thrown under the bus" is a huge understatement of what happened.
    - Argorak 12y ago
      I don't think he got "thrown under the bus" - he moved to a position were others did not want to defend him or even just keep on. Unsurprisingly, I would add, he should know the other people. Still, the inclusion shows that not all bridges are burned, which makes me happy.
      - chappi42 12y ago
        I don't see truth in your statement that core people did not want to defend him. Shitstorm happened mostly by outsiders/ignorants. He didn't want to continue in such a climate. Joyent wrote a blog post that ruined their reputation. - Good net effect one year later is that node might free themself from Joyent and become much more open/inclusive.
        Argorak 12y ago
        My comment starts with "I (don't) think". Feel free to think otherwise, but my statement has truth - I know what I think.
        ldng 12y ago
        Could someone make (or provide a link to) a summary of the melodrama for outsiders ? It being not too partisan for one side or the other would be a plus.
- Kiro 12y ago
  What happened?
  - askmike 12y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286
- jbergstroem 12y ago
  The fact that opinions like these are still a thing says more about the opinion than his commitment to the node/io/libuv community. edit: obvious commit statistics below/above.
otikik 12y ago
> It's a fork of node.js with ES6 support. The goal is a faster release cycle and an updated V8 engine, plus an "open governance model" as opposed to Joyent's domination of node.js prime. For the record, I believe that's what should be written as the first answer on the FAQ (and maybe on the site's index.hml). The current one is atrocious.
mqzaidi 12y ago
For a comparison, node.js contributors are (http://nodejs.org/about/core-team/ http://nodejs.org/about/core-team/) TJ Fontaine Alexis Campailla Fedor Indutny Trevor Norris Nathan Rajlich Rather strange to see Fedor as a core team member in both projects, or at least one of them (likely node.js page) is out of date.
- spion 12y ago
  Its not strange, most of the people involved are core members of both projects. Its the same project, really. Its just that iojs actually has new releases, and node doesn't anymore. Yes I know, I need to add `s/anymore/yet`. But the statement is pretty much accurate. Its been almost 2 years since 0.11.0 was released and 0.12 is nowhere in sight.
tootie 12y ago
Are node/io permanently joined to V8? I know that Oracle has been putting some effort into getting Avatar.js to be fully compatible with node and run on the JVM, but it isn't gaining much traction.

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silversupreme 12y ago

I find Ben's inclusion on this list interesting, given his history with Joyent/the node community.

nevi-me 12y ago
Even though he stopped being part of core, he has remained active in Node.js development. It's part of his job at StrongLoop I suppose. A fresh start with an open governance model at least should mean that most politics are set aside.
- throwaway432324 12y ago
  I hope so. Pretty much everyone on that list except isaac and mikeal are apolitical. Mikeal is overtly political. Isaac is political from time to time since he's strongly aligned with the identity politics mob that attacked ben noordhuis back in the day. I really hope identity politics doesn't creep into the io.js governance.
  - notsony 12y ago
    How do we know that Isaac identifies as a "he" ?
  - untog 12y ago
    A great way to stop identity politics becoming an issue is to bring it up unprompted through a throwaway account on Hacker News. Anonymously singling out specific members of the community that you dislike and labeling them as bad actors is particularly helpful. Oh, wait...
- kroosaidher 12y ago
  Except "identity politics" aka inclusiveness are at the heart of their open governance model... Or did you miss the drama over their code of conduct; that they were going to one and how they solicited and followed advice from noted social justice advocates in drafting it. It confuses me deeply that this fact could turn people off of the project regardless of its other practical and technical merits.
_greim_ 12y ago
I felt like he got thrown under the bus with that whole uproar, and was glad to see him in there.
- malandrew 12y ago
  With 1098 commits to libuv, which represents 35.2% of all commits to that project and the most number of commits from any single individual, and 1409 commits to node (13.8%, 3rd after Ryan Dahl and Isaac Schlueter), I'd say that him "getting thrown under the bus" is a huge understatement of what happened.
  - Argorak 12y ago
    I don't think he got "thrown under the bus" - he moved to a position were others did not want to defend him or even just keep on. Unsurprisingly, I would add, he should know the other people. Still, the inclusion shows that not all bridges are burned, which makes me happy.
    - chappi42 12y ago
      I don't see truth in your statement that core people did not want to defend him. Shitstorm happened mostly by outsiders/ignorants. He didn't want to continue in such a climate. Joyent wrote a blog post that ruined their reputation. - Good net effect one year later is that node might free themself from Joyent and become much more open/inclusive.
      - Argorak 12y ago
        My comment starts with "I (don't) think". Feel free to think otherwise, but my statement has truth - I know what I think.
      - ldng 12y ago
        Could someone make (or provide a link to) a summary of the melodrama for outsiders ? It being not too partisan for one side or the other would be a plus.
Kiro 12y ago
What happened?
- askmike 12y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286
jbergstroem 12y ago
The fact that opinions like these are still a thing says more about the opinion than his commitment to the node/io/libuv community. edit: obvious commit statistics below/above.

otikik 12y ago

> It's a fork of node.js with ES6 support. The goal is a faster release cycle and an updated V8 engine, plus an "open governance model" as opposed to Joyent's domination of node.js prime. For the record, I believe that's what should be written as the first answer on the FAQ (and maybe on the site's index.hml). The current one is atrocious.

mqzaidi 12y ago

For a comparison, node.js contributors are (http://nodejs.org/about/core-team/ http://nodejs.org/about/core-team/) TJ Fontaine Alexis Campailla Fedor Indutny Trevor Norris Nathan Rajlich Rather strange to see Fedor as a core team member in both projects, or at least one of them (likely node.js page) is out of date.

spion 12y ago
Its not strange, most of the people involved are core members of both projects. Its the same project, really. Its just that iojs actually has new releases, and node doesn't anymore. Yes I know, I need to add `s/anymore/yet`. But the statement is pretty much accurate. Its been almost 2 years since 0.11.0 was released and 0.12 is nowhere in sight.

tootie 12y ago

Are node/io permanently joined to V8? I know that Oracle has been putting some effort into getting Avatar.js to be fully compatible with node and run on the JVM, but it isn't gaining much traction.