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“Everyone carries a flashbang,” Malette testified. “Any time we encounter locked doors, we have an unknown, we have to gain back that initiative.” I understand

“Everyone carries a flashbang,” Malette testified. “Any time we encounter locked doors, we have an unknown, we have to gain back that initiative.” I understand that police are interested in maintaining control of a situation, but practices like throwing flashbang grenades into houses without looking...these guys seem to think they're Delta Force.

IkmoIkmo 12y ago
It's insane. He literally said 'there's something behind this door, we don't know whether it's a guy with a rocket launcher or an innocent baby, so let's throw a grenade in there and 'gain the initiative' whichever case it may be'. I never quite understood raids in the first place. Between scoping out a house, arresting any individuals outside as they walk on the curb while entering an empty home with a warrant, and raiding a house delta-force style with guns, an unknown number of people in the house with no knowledge of what you'll find. I'm sure house raids have their place, but to me that place feels rather limited. Raiding someone's house because of something like pot, or selling nachos, with grenades and all?
rhino369 12y ago
Part of the problem is they are asked to be Delta Force. I wouldn't storm a house without a sub machine and a flashbang either. But I also wouldn't storm houses in the first place. Raids aren't needed except in very exceptional cases like a hostage situation or a spree killer. It's time for police to need a court's permission to specifically raid without a clear and present danger.
rhino369 12y ago
Part of the problem is they are asked to be Delta Force. I wouldn't storm a house without a sub machine and a flashbang either. But I also wouldn't storm houses in the first place. Raids aren't needed except in very exceptional cases like a hostage situation or a spree killer. It's time for police to need a court's permission to specifically raid without a clear and present danger.

IkmoIkmo 12y ago

It's insane. He literally said 'there's something behind this door, we don't know whether it's a guy with a rocket launcher or an innocent baby, so let's throw a grenade in there and 'gain the initiative' whichever case it may be'. I never quite understood raids in the first place. Between scoping out a house, arresting any individuals outside as they walk on the curb while entering an empty home with a warrant, and raiding a house delta-force style with guns, an unknown number of people in the house with no knowledge of what you'll find. I'm sure house raids have their place, but to me that place feels rather limited. Raiding someone's house because of something like pot, or selling nachos, with grenades and all?

rhino369 12y ago

Part of the problem is they are asked to be Delta Force. I wouldn't storm a house without a sub machine and a flashbang either. But I also wouldn't storm houses in the first place. Raids aren't needed except in very exceptional cases like a hostage situation or a spree killer. It's time for police to need a court's permission to specifically raid without a clear and present danger.

rhino369 12y ago