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> Mining uranium is cleaner than coal? We had mines here in Germany and they were definitely environmentally very dangerous. Much more cleaner. All mining is d
by catzaa 17y ago
> Mining uranium is cleaner than coal? We had mines here in Germany and they were definitely environmentally very dangerous.
Much more cleaner. All mining is dirty, but Coal mining is moreso. One thing that causes this is the large amount that should be mined. You get mountaintop mining in which the whole top of a mountain top is removed to get to the coal. Another method is underground mining (in which at least 5000 people die each year in China alone). The scale at which coal is mined causes environmental damage of a completely different order.
> Surprise for you: coal prices are not the same in the world. The types of coal are different, the mining is different, labor costs are different.
It depends. The country in which I live is the 4th largest exporter of coal. The prices of low grade coal (with high sulphur and mecury content) differ since it is usually used locally and not exported. The advantage of this is that it is cheaper but the disadvantage is that it pollutes much more. High grade coal are generally more expensive and roughly the same price worldwide (it is a commodity). This is just like gold prices or steel prices.
> Why would you excluded hydro power from renewables.
I excluded hydropower because it is the only viable renewable energy source (e.g. the 3 gorges dam is an impressive 20+GW). But unfortunately there is limited opportunities – when all the dams are built you cannot scale it up much more.
> That France does not export much energy from renewable sources is no surprise, they have betted all their money on nuclear power plants.
Yes, and they are a large net exporter of electricity (Germany is not). With a smaller population and a smaller economy France produces as much electricity as Germany.
> A Blockheizkraftwerk will be run on gas and later on biogas.
You know that gas power generation pollutes a lot? You know that gas power generation is more expensive? (Most countries that have gas generation power plants only run it at peak times).
> and later on biogas.
Biogas is a pipe dream. Enough biogas will never be created for power generation.
> gas is much less environmentally dangerous than nuclear materials or coal, ...
Gas is much more expensive than coal. Your source of gas also runs in a pipeline from Russia over some unstable areas. I doubt that it is a good idea to bet energy security on Russian and Ukrainian relations.
> Germany already has high energy prices.
It should get ready for still higher prices.
> It is still number one exporter in the world.
It will become a lot less competitive with higher energy prices.
> Countries like China are far behind. It shows in their environment also.
The Chinese economy is growing by 8% per year – much more than Germany (that is/was in a recession). China is also becoming less polluted as time progress.
> the goal is to reduce energy consumption, create new technologies and get rid of the old energy wasting industries.
You can reduce energy all you want. But you still have industries that require large amounts of cheap energy – e.g. metallurgy. An aluminium smelter uses 1GW+ whether you like it or not. Those jobs and industry will simply switch to countries with a more sane energy policy.
- lispm 17y agoChina is becoming less polluted in the near future? Dream on. The Chinese economy has to grow 8% because the population grows, less than 8% is stagnation. GDP in China per person is around $3000, where in Germany (East and West) we are at $44000. They have room to grow. Germany is also a net exporter of electricity. It is great that it is not a large net exporter, otherwise the industry which gets lots of monetary help from the tax payer sells their electricity cheap to foreign countries. Aluminum smelters and comparable industries will move to countries with little environmental protection. Let them go. Btw., just where I live we have a Aluminum smelters and related. In Germany. They are still here. Gas power plants are extremely efficient (twice as coal), cheap to built, have a relatively robust technology and the pollution is much less then from coal (half). Modern gas turbines provide electricity and heat. You can build gas power plants into or very near to cities - this is different from nuclear power plants who need lots of water for cooling and building them near cities is usually not a good idea. Gas runs through pipelines from Russia, arrive by ships, new pipelines are projected and Germany has gas reserves for two months. During the recent shortage in East Europe, Germany was actually giving gas to other countries. Biogas is no pipe dream. Funny how your prejudices collide with technical innovations that have already been developed. In East Germany just a few months ago a new Biogas plant has been opened: it will produce 160 million kWh Electricity an 180 million kWh heat - enough for 50000 families.We will see more of that... I'm getting the impression that you are far behind the technological paradigm shift that people are working on here.
- catzaa 17y ago> will produce 160 million kWh Electricity an 180 million kWh heat - enough for 50000 families.We will see more of that... Your units is not correct. Is that power generation of 160 million kW (i.e. 160GW). If it is kWh, what is the timeframe? (kW is the rate of electricity that is produced - i.e. 1000 (kilo) Watts. kWh is a measure of the amount of electricity - i.e. 1kW for an hour). If it is kW then it is no doubt not correct - a large power station is 1.6GW.
- lispm 17y agoit is kWh per year. You still don't get it. It is about being able to generate renewable energy in a decentralized way. It is generating electricity and heat for 50000 households. It is not about large nuclear power stations creating profits for corporations (while the real price is paid by the tax payer) and lots of nuclear waste. A part of future is smaller units that can provide energy on a local level - that will replace a lot of non-renewable-based power stations.