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I dunno, there's a few contenders. Scribd was pretty bad. RapGenius was pretty bad in terms of the people. Edit: Oh, and Quora, even if that wasn't much more t

by cdr 12y ago

I dunno, there's a few contenders. Scribd was pretty bad. RapGenius was pretty bad in terms of the people. Edit: Oh, and Quora, even if that wasn't much more than YC lending its name.

jacquesm 12y ago
Impossible to have so many investments and not have a few bad apples. Still surprised PG did not distance himself further from installmonetizer, otoh props for standing by his investment and doing damage control for them at the expense of the YC cachet.
- cdr 12y ago
  PG defended scribd (much as InstallMonetizer), including automated scribed links on HN, even as it was hijacking people's content and widely loathed.
unreal37 12y ago
What was wrong with RapGenius? I actually like them. Simple idea executed well. I still use Genius regularly.
- anon1385 12y ago
  People disliked them because the founders acted like obnoxious fratbros, but the specific claims of wrongdoing were over blackhat SEO ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6956658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6956658 ) which ended up getting them penalised by Google.
- cdr 12y ago
  The other commenter covered the blackhat SEO / Google smackdown. As far as the people: http://valleywag.gawker.com/rap-genius-cofounder-resigns-over-comments-on-elliot-ro-1581741873 http://valleywag.gawker.com/rap-genius-cofounder-resigns-ove...
GuiA 12y ago
And Airbnb was spamming Craigslist posters (https://growthhackers.com/companies/airbnb/ https://growthhackers.com/companies/airbnb/ - but of course selling cereals is the anecdote preferred by storytellers), and I have freelancer friends who got totally screwed by YC companies ("We can't pay for your work right now but we'll hire you and give you tons of equity right after demo day!" ... only to never respond to their emails ever again. Yes, the few of my friends to whom this happened could have been less naive, but still shitty). The vast majority (but not all) of startups do dubious things. That's to be expected in an environment that glorifies "breaking things" and worrying later if what they're doing is legal or not. Being YC affiliated does not change that in the slightest bit.

by cdr 12y ago

I dunno, there's a few contenders. Scribd was pretty bad. RapGenius was pretty bad in terms of the people. Edit: Oh, and Quora, even if that wasn't much more than YC lending its name.

jacquesm 12y ago

Impossible to have so many investments and not have a few bad apples. Still surprised PG did not distance himself further from installmonetizer, otoh props for standing by his investment and doing damage control for them at the expense of the YC cachet.

cdr 12y ago
PG defended scribd (much as InstallMonetizer), including automated scribed links on HN, even as it was hijacking people's content and widely loathed.

unreal37 12y ago

What was wrong with RapGenius? I actually like them. Simple idea executed well. I still use Genius regularly.

anon1385 12y ago
People disliked them because the founders acted like obnoxious fratbros, but the specific claims of wrongdoing were over blackhat SEO ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6956658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6956658 ) which ended up getting them penalised by Google.
cdr 12y ago
The other commenter covered the blackhat SEO / Google smackdown. As far as the people: http://valleywag.gawker.com/rap-genius-cofounder-resigns-over-comments-on-elliot-ro-1581741873 http://valleywag.gawker.com/rap-genius-cofounder-resigns-ove...

GuiA 12y ago

And Airbnb was spamming Craigslist posters (https://growthhackers.com/companies/airbnb/ https://growthhackers.com/companies/airbnb/ - but of course selling cereals is the anecdote preferred by storytellers), and I have freelancer friends who got totally screwed by YC companies ("We can't pay for your work right now but we'll hire you and give you tons of equity right after demo day!" ... only to never respond to their emails ever again. Yes, the few of my friends to whom this happened could have been less naive, but still shitty). The vast majority (but not all) of startups do dubious things. That's to be expected in an environment that glorifies "breaking things" and worrying later if what they're doing is legal or not. Being YC affiliated does not change that in the slightest bit.