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For adults, go get yourself a Hyrdro Flask. It's a double-walled (thermos-style) food grade stainless steel bottle. It comes with a 100 year warranty, and after

For adults, go get yourself a Hyrdro Flask. It's a double-walled (thermos-style) food grade stainless steel bottle. It comes with a 100 year warranty, and after your grandkids are done playing with it, it's fully recyclable. There are several products like this on the market, but I am a happy Hydro Flask owner/user. Aluminum bottles are a non-starter: aluminum is toxic to humans, and has to be coated to not leak into your food. Often times there's a plastic liner to prevent the aluminum from coming into contact with your food/drink. Some steel bottles are crap: they actually do stain/rust, and being non-transparent this can be hard to spot. Glass bottles are nice, but obviously more breakable/dangerous than metal. Personally, I don't trust any plastic bottles: not Nalgene not any other kind. Had a Nalgene bottle once; after it took on a stale water odor, I could not get it out with anything. This article particular finding is far from the last one in terms of which plastics do what to the organism. For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle.

toomuchtodo 12y ago
> For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle. Is it possible to make stainless steel baby bottles?
- trentlott 12y ago
  I know it's certainly possible to make glass baby bottles.
  - lostlogin 12y ago
    It's a minor point but bottles that provide any insulating value are sort of worrying to use as the risk of giving a baby a hot drink increases and glass baby bottles are sometimes thick glass. It turns out that getting up for the 9th time, totally exhausted, makes reliably noticing anything hard. Disclaimer: I have only used one glass baby bottle ever
    - sitharus 12y ago
      Allow a drop to fall on the bottom of your wrist, that'll tell you quite quickly.
    - jonhohle 12y ago
      If your child is tolerant, just don't heat the bottle. After trying various warming schemes with screaming twins waiting for food, we just began giving them their food right from the fridge and they didn't complain. Haven't warmed a bottle since.* * for various reasons we fed with formula only and premeasure formula and water before bed for quick mixing in the middle of the night.
      - kjackson 12y ago
        We gave our kid formula with room temperature water for the entire duration of him being on formula. We never heated it ever, and he was fine with it.
      - zaroth 12y ago
        How much would you kill for a barista style formula dispenser? :-) First world problem, I know, but I always imagined, 'click-click' and getting exactly the right amount. New fridges have water dispensers where you can set the ounces on the door, and they dispense exactly that amount. I wonder if they can set the temperature precisely too? I guess just another way our kids will not face the same set of challenges. (Not necessarily 'have it better' just applying their energy differently with a whole different set of expectations to go along with it)
        thomas11 12y ago
        Nestle has already done it: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/26/nestle-launches-machine-baby-milk http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/26/nestle-l...
      - lostlogin 12y ago
        This was exactly the solution we got to. The do-gooders were incensed at the system. Not having to heat it up or fart about at night (once the child is trained) is excellent. And as a bonus, our tap water is very clean, so sterilized bottle and tap water for formula. Refrigerated is even better, well done! Question. Twins, have you ever slept?
- pherocity_ 12y ago
  Glass or ya know, glass...
- jonhohle 12y ago
  We have about 10 Life Factory bottles on rotation for twins. They have silicone sleeves, and have only had one break over the course of a year (it fell from a small distance without a cap and hit the exposed top and shattered; others have fallen without incident).
electromagnetic 12y ago
> For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle. Glass bottles for newborns as they can be easily sterilised, and be sure they have a silicone nipple that also forms the seal to the glass of the bottle. Once they get old enough to use their own, use the playtex disposable liners. No sterilisation or cleaning required, so you only have to do the nipples, which by this age can be just soap and water. http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/batch-lot-2/bisphenol-a/study_babybottles-etude_bebe-eng.php http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/... The Think Baby non-polycarbonate bottles appear the best for a rigid bottle, but personally I wouldn't trust something that's going to be washed extremely frequently, scrubbed with brushes or thrown in a dishwasher. You use them for up to 3-4 years, so I wouldn't trust reusing a bottle as it will age. The playtex liners was below the detection threshold on their test, which was to put boiling water in them and then hold the temperature at 60C for 2 hours. For me that's more than safe enough for the 35C milk I'm putting in it for my kid to drink within 2 minutes. I honestly think disposable is the way to go, because it eliminates the risk of the materials degrading. These tests are on new, not 1 year old, so the only ones that are valid in every use scenario are the disposable ones.
- gcb0 12y ago
  you completely lost me on the disposable defense. manufacture produces much more stress than your cleaning would, causing much more to be free on the surface
  - cowsandmilk 12y ago
    the argument is chemical degradation with age, not physical abrasion. You leave plastic out in the sun and reactions occur that can depolymerize the plastic, releasing monomeric components. In the case of polycarbonate, those components include bisphenol.
refurb 12y ago
aluminum is toxic to humans, and has to be coated to not leak into your food. Aluminum is not toxic when it comes to the levels that might end up in your food. Aluminum hydroxide is an FDA approved antacid. Aluminum cans are coated not to keep the aluminum out of your food, it's to keep acidic food from corroding the aluminum.
- mc32 12y ago
  I think you're right, people in third world countries use lots of aluminum in their cookware (Thailand, while not being third world) is a good example of a place which uses it a lot in cookery. Just don't use aluminum citrus squeezers or cook your tomato sauce in aluminum pots (as their useful lifetimes will suffer, and the food might take on a weird taste.) It would also seem that most of the danger from aluminum cookery, where there is such, comes from impurities in the recycled aluminum (lead, and other hazardous metals).
  - dietrichepp 12y ago
    We use a lot of aluminum cookware in the US, too. Just take a look inside restaurant kitchens.
    - mc32 12y ago
      That's true, but aluminum cookware is not as pervasive as it is in 3rd world countries, also, I'm willing to bet, the aluminum in US cookware does not have as much in terms of impurities --not guarantees on cheap imported cookware though.
      - jff 12y ago
        But the assertion was that aluminum itself is toxic, so the presence of impurities is irrelevant.
  - octix 12y ago
    yes, because all these third world countries have a good record of keeping a good log on what's going on...
mc32 12y ago
So do we eventually go back to wooden or leather water vessels? I wonder if those will see a comeback of sorts by the 'lets go back to the past for inspiration' folks. Not that the past does not have good things but lots of paleo things are just not that scalable... I mean, imagine all the leather we'd need..
- seanp2k2 12y ago
  I'd guess that more people own leather shoes and/or gloves than Nalgene bottles, and couches / jackets / automobile interiors surely use more leather than a canteen would.
yonibot 12y ago
I own a Klean Kanteen, which is also stainless steel, and I really like it. But when I bought it and looked into the matter, a lot of people were talking about how stainless steel water bottles made in the far east could contain traces of other metals that may not be as safe.
TimSAstro 12y ago
For anyone else who was wondering about their Nalgene, they're BPS free, apparently: http://nalgene.com/why-nalgene/ http://nalgene.com/why-nalgene/ (funny smells aside)
ecopoesis 12y ago
> For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle. Use stainless steel baby bottles. There are couple different companies that make them, we use Klean Kanteen. There is some plastic (the ring to tighten the nipple down) but the liquid never touches anything but stainless steel and silicone.
computerjunkie 12y ago
Thanks for the recommendation. I've bought myself a glass bottle and I've never looked back. I'm going to be purchasing larger ones for water/juice storage in the fridge and probably a hydro flask for movement. The transition from plastic to glass isn't that hard at all, you just have to be slightly more careful when it comes to carrying one. Simply throwing the bottle across the room to somebody becomes dangerous as compared to throwing a plastic water bottle. This year I'll be moving to storing my leftover food in glass jars, [0] le parfait do really good ones (they are expensive but worth it in my opinion). I'm still figuring out how I will store frozen meat I get from the farm. [0] http://www.leparfait.com/ http://www.leparfait.com/

toomuchtodo 12y ago

> For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle. Is it possible to make stainless steel baby bottles?

trentlott 12y ago
I know it's certainly possible to make glass baby bottles.
- lostlogin 12y ago
  It's a minor point but bottles that provide any insulating value are sort of worrying to use as the risk of giving a baby a hot drink increases and glass baby bottles are sometimes thick glass. It turns out that getting up for the 9th time, totally exhausted, makes reliably noticing anything hard. Disclaimer: I have only used one glass baby bottle ever
  - sitharus 12y ago
    Allow a drop to fall on the bottom of your wrist, that'll tell you quite quickly.
  - jonhohle 12y ago
    If your child is tolerant, just don't heat the bottle. After trying various warming schemes with screaming twins waiting for food, we just began giving them their food right from the fridge and they didn't complain. Haven't warmed a bottle since.* * for various reasons we fed with formula only and premeasure formula and water before bed for quick mixing in the middle of the night.
    - kjackson 12y ago
      We gave our kid formula with room temperature water for the entire duration of him being on formula. We never heated it ever, and he was fine with it.
    - zaroth 12y ago
      How much would you kill for a barista style formula dispenser? :-) First world problem, I know, but I always imagined, 'click-click' and getting exactly the right amount. New fridges have water dispensers where you can set the ounces on the door, and they dispense exactly that amount. I wonder if they can set the temperature precisely too? I guess just another way our kids will not face the same set of challenges. (Not necessarily 'have it better' just applying their energy differently with a whole different set of expectations to go along with it)
      - thomas11 12y ago
        Nestle has already done it: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/26/nestle-launches-machine-baby-milk http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/26/nestle-l...
    - lostlogin 12y ago
      This was exactly the solution we got to. The do-gooders were incensed at the system. Not having to heat it up or fart about at night (once the child is trained) is excellent. And as a bonus, our tap water is very clean, so sterilized bottle and tap water for formula. Refrigerated is even better, well done! Question. Twins, have you ever slept?
pherocity_ 12y ago
Glass or ya know, glass...
jonhohle 12y ago
We have about 10 Life Factory bottles on rotation for twins. They have silicone sleeves, and have only had one break over the course of a year (it fell from a small distance without a cap and hit the exposed top and shattered; others have fallen without incident).

electromagnetic 12y ago

> For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle. Glass bottles for newborns as they can be easily sterilised, and be sure they have a silicone nipple that also forms the seal to the glass of the bottle. Once they get old enough to use their own, use the playtex disposable liners. No sterilisation or cleaning required, so you only have to do the nipples, which by this age can be just soap and water. http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/batch-lot-2/bisphenol-a/study_babybottles-etude_bebe-eng.php http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/... The Think Baby non-polycarbonate bottles appear the best for a rigid bottle, but personally I wouldn't trust something that's going to be washed extremely frequently, scrubbed with brushes or thrown in a dishwasher. You use them for up to 3-4 years, so I wouldn't trust reusing a bottle as it will age. The playtex liners was below the detection threshold on their test, which was to put boiling water in them and then hold the temperature at 60C for 2 hours. For me that's more than safe enough for the 35C milk I'm putting in it for my kid to drink within 2 minutes. I honestly think disposable is the way to go, because it eliminates the risk of the materials degrading. These tests are on new, not 1 year old, so the only ones that are valid in every use scenario are the disposable ones.

gcb0 12y ago
you completely lost me on the disposable defense. manufacture produces much more stress than your cleaning would, causing much more to be free on the surface
- cowsandmilk 12y ago
  the argument is chemical degradation with age, not physical abrasion. You leave plastic out in the sun and reactions occur that can depolymerize the plastic, releasing monomeric components. In the case of polycarbonate, those components include bisphenol.

refurb 12y ago

aluminum is toxic to humans, and has to be coated to not leak into your food. Aluminum is not toxic when it comes to the levels that might end up in your food. Aluminum hydroxide is an FDA approved antacid. Aluminum cans are coated not to keep the aluminum out of your food, it's to keep acidic food from corroding the aluminum.

mc32 12y ago
I think you're right, people in third world countries use lots of aluminum in their cookware (Thailand, while not being third world) is a good example of a place which uses it a lot in cookery. Just don't use aluminum citrus squeezers or cook your tomato sauce in aluminum pots (as their useful lifetimes will suffer, and the food might take on a weird taste.) It would also seem that most of the danger from aluminum cookery, where there is such, comes from impurities in the recycled aluminum (lead, and other hazardous metals).
- dietrichepp 12y ago
  We use a lot of aluminum cookware in the US, too. Just take a look inside restaurant kitchens.
  - mc32 12y ago
    That's true, but aluminum cookware is not as pervasive as it is in 3rd world countries, also, I'm willing to bet, the aluminum in US cookware does not have as much in terms of impurities --not guarantees on cheap imported cookware though.
    - jff 12y ago
      But the assertion was that aluminum itself is toxic, so the presence of impurities is irrelevant.
- octix 12y ago
  yes, because all these third world countries have a good record of keeping a good log on what's going on...

mc32 12y ago

So do we eventually go back to wooden or leather water vessels? I wonder if those will see a comeback of sorts by the 'lets go back to the past for inspiration' folks. Not that the past does not have good things but lots of paleo things are just not that scalable... I mean, imagine all the leather we'd need..

seanp2k2 12y ago
I'd guess that more people own leather shoes and/or gloves than Nalgene bottles, and couches / jackets / automobile interiors surely use more leather than a canteen would.

yonibot 12y ago

I own a Klean Kanteen, which is also stainless steel, and I really like it. But when I bought it and looked into the matter, a lot of people were talking about how stainless steel water bottles made in the far east could contain traces of other metals that may not be as safe.

TimSAstro 12y ago

For anyone else who was wondering about their Nalgene, they're BPS free, apparently: http://nalgene.com/why-nalgene/ http://nalgene.com/why-nalgene/ (funny smells aside)

ecopoesis 12y ago

> For baby bottles... I guess the search is on for the next best type of bottle. Use stainless steel baby bottles. There are couple different companies that make them, we use Klean Kanteen. There is some plastic (the ring to tighten the nipple down) but the liquid never touches anything but stainless steel and silicone.

computerjunkie 12y ago

Thanks for the recommendation. I've bought myself a glass bottle and I've never looked back. I'm going to be purchasing larger ones for water/juice storage in the fridge and probably a hydro flask for movement. The transition from plastic to glass isn't that hard at all, you just have to be slightly more careful when it comes to carrying one. Simply throwing the bottle across the room to somebody becomes dangerous as compared to throwing a plastic water bottle. This year I'll be moving to storing my leftover food in glass jars, [0] le parfait do really good ones (they are expensive but worth it in my opinion). I'm still figuring out how I will store frozen meat I get from the farm. [0] http://www.leparfait.com/ http://www.leparfait.com/