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Exposure to BPA and similar substances from cans and bottles is probably inconsequential compared to exposure from receipts if you use any kind of hand sanitize

by ewzimm 12y ago

Exposure to BPA and similar substances from cans and bottles is probably inconsequential compared to exposure from receipts if you use any kind of hand sanitizer or lotion. A single exposure can equal hundreds of cans. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.ht... (Fixed the link, thanks)

ekianjo 12y ago
your link seems to be broken.
- pmh 12y ago
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.ht... is the fixed link.
- finid 12y ago
  Here's the correct link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.ht...
thrownaway2424 12y ago
Good reason to not use hand sanitizer and lotion, then. I have a highly sophisticated self-repairing, self-lubricating, self-renewing exterior on my person, and my ancestors needed neither lotions nor aerosols of alcohol in the millions of years prior to whenever those things suddenly became popular. Also a good reason to pay cash, which was another long tradition of my people.
- jsankey 12y ago
  Although I agree that our own bodies tend to be pretty awesome and require less help than many people think, your argument in this case is a little shaky. We live in a very different environment to our ancestors and expose our skin to all sorts of things that they never could have. Even ignoring all the new compounds we interact with daily, just moving ourselves around the planet (to areas with different sun exposure, as a key example) can have a big impact on our health.
  - thrownaway2424 12y ago
    You won't see me hewing to some paleo diet or otherwise worshipping my bark-eating forebears. But I think people do themselves a disservice with all the crud they put in their skin. Some of these things are required only because of the previous thing applied to their skin. Hand washing is nice and I recommend it but equally important (in terms of disease transmission) are the discipline to not pick your nose and rub your eyes. Basic stuff.
    - jahmed 12y ago
      Agreed, I'm a happy modern human that isn't particularly worried about potential harms from chemicals or GMOs. I do though use baking soda and vinegar for my hair and its so much better than using shampoo and conditioner. Aggressively stripping oil from your hair and then putting it back didn't make sense once I learned about it. I'm curious about this http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/magazine/my-no-soap-no-shampoo-bacteria-rich-hygiene-experiment.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/magazine/my-no-soap-no-sha... but not nearly brave enough.
      - ccozan 12y ago
        I actually did this experiment. I had the chance to be alone for 3 months so I accepted the challenge. It actually worked. I used only and only water to wash. In the beginning hot, then slowly working to a quite cold shower. That helped out too. The effect? My hair is since then never better. I have no more dandruff, no rash or other headskin condition. The body took it very well. Using only water and a turkish rubbing cloth. I didn't smell. I even asked a few colleagues ( female too ) to tell me if they noticed something about me, and there was nothing out of the ordinary. My armpits were sweating but no unpleasant smell would be produced. Some women found me even more attractive ;), but this might be subjective. Reason for the lack of smell is most probably the natural bacteria that eat all of my body output ( sweat, dead skin, etc ). The cold shower was keeping this bacteria alive, since hot water has some effect ( dilutuing fat and killing some of them ). In the end, was a positive experiment. I stopp it after this 3 months, due to home arrival of my significant other :).
- simplexion 12y ago
  You do know how disgusting cash is though, right?
  - thrownaway2424 12y ago
    No please fill me in. Is cash more or less disgusting than the upholstered bus I ride to work every morning? More or less disgusting than cured meat?
    - lostlogin 12y ago
      I work in a radiology department. You would be surprised how many people store wads of cash rolled up in their underwear. One patient in particular comes to mind, as he was in for imaging relating to faecal incontinence. It's a close thing, but I'm going to say that cash is more disgusting.
- rsl7 12y ago
  You probably wash your hands more than your ancestors. So they're drying out more.
  - cpncrunch 12y ago
    and perhaps he/she also lives in a dwelling with some kind of heating, where the indoor relative humidity will be around 10% if you live in a cold climate.
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- dwd 12y ago
  What if your cash is also plastic? http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-Structure/Flagships/Future-Manufacturing-Flagship/Flexible-Electronics/World-first-polymer-banknote.aspx http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-Structure/Flagships/Future-...
- IndianAstronaut 12y ago
  Or use pure baby oil. I was using just that and it works great as a moisturizer.
  - bkmartin 12y ago
    But to be fair... babies and their oil are naturally occurring organic substances.
- deleted 12y ago
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- themartorana 12y ago
  They also didn't have things like sun screen, and died at half of the life expectancy we have now.
  - jp555 12y ago
    Careful not to ignore the influence infant mortality has on average life expectancy. Long lives were common among adults, but the average life expectancy was dragged down because many more children than today died. It was common to have many kids because it was expected and normal that a significant number would not live to adulthood.
mahyarm 12y ago
Don't you also have eat french fries with hand cream covered hands that touched the receipt according to the article?
- ewzimm 12y ago
  No, that was part of the experiment, but they concluded that the primary route was through skin absorption: "These findings indicate that the primary route of BPA exposure was not via gastrointestinal absorption after eating the BPA-contaminated French fries"
paul 12y ago
Fascinating. Is there something in hand sanitizer or lotion that makes this happen, or is it just any fluid that facilitates the transfer?
- ewzimm 12y ago
  Any fluid facilitates the trasfer, but the researchers state: "The dermal penetration enhancing chemicals present in personal care products as well as hand sanitizers cause a breakdown of the dermal barrier leading to an increase in transdermal absorption"

by ewzimm 12y ago

ekianjo 12y ago

your link seems to be broken.

pmh 12y ago
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.ht... is the fixed link.
finid 12y ago
Here's the correct link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022143628.ht...

thrownaway2424 12y ago

Good reason to not use hand sanitizer and lotion, then. I have a highly sophisticated self-repairing, self-lubricating, self-renewing exterior on my person, and my ancestors needed neither lotions nor aerosols of alcohol in the millions of years prior to whenever those things suddenly became popular. Also a good reason to pay cash, which was another long tradition of my people.

jsankey 12y ago
Although I agree that our own bodies tend to be pretty awesome and require less help than many people think, your argument in this case is a little shaky. We live in a very different environment to our ancestors and expose our skin to all sorts of things that they never could have. Even ignoring all the new compounds we interact with daily, just moving ourselves around the planet (to areas with different sun exposure, as a key example) can have a big impact on our health.
- thrownaway2424 12y ago
  You won't see me hewing to some paleo diet or otherwise worshipping my bark-eating forebears. But I think people do themselves a disservice with all the crud they put in their skin. Some of these things are required only because of the previous thing applied to their skin. Hand washing is nice and I recommend it but equally important (in terms of disease transmission) are the discipline to not pick your nose and rub your eyes. Basic stuff.
  - jahmed 12y ago
    Agreed, I'm a happy modern human that isn't particularly worried about potential harms from chemicals or GMOs. I do though use baking soda and vinegar for my hair and its so much better than using shampoo and conditioner. Aggressively stripping oil from your hair and then putting it back didn't make sense once I learned about it. I'm curious about this http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/magazine/my-no-soap-no-shampoo-bacteria-rich-hygiene-experiment.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/magazine/my-no-soap-no-sha... but not nearly brave enough.
    - ccozan 12y ago
      I actually did this experiment. I had the chance to be alone for 3 months so I accepted the challenge. It actually worked. I used only and only water to wash. In the beginning hot, then slowly working to a quite cold shower. That helped out too. The effect? My hair is since then never better. I have no more dandruff, no rash or other headskin condition. The body took it very well. Using only water and a turkish rubbing cloth. I didn't smell. I even asked a few colleagues ( female too ) to tell me if they noticed something about me, and there was nothing out of the ordinary. My armpits were sweating but no unpleasant smell would be produced. Some women found me even more attractive ;), but this might be subjective. Reason for the lack of smell is most probably the natural bacteria that eat all of my body output ( sweat, dead skin, etc ). The cold shower was keeping this bacteria alive, since hot water has some effect ( dilutuing fat and killing some of them ). In the end, was a positive experiment. I stopp it after this 3 months, due to home arrival of my significant other :).
simplexion 12y ago
You do know how disgusting cash is though, right?
- thrownaway2424 12y ago
  No please fill me in. Is cash more or less disgusting than the upholstered bus I ride to work every morning? More or less disgusting than cured meat?
  - lostlogin 12y ago
    I work in a radiology department. You would be surprised how many people store wads of cash rolled up in their underwear. One patient in particular comes to mind, as he was in for imaging relating to faecal incontinence. It's a close thing, but I'm going to say that cash is more disgusting.
rsl7 12y ago
You probably wash your hands more than your ancestors. So they're drying out more.
- cpncrunch 12y ago
  and perhaps he/she also lives in a dwelling with some kind of heating, where the indoor relative humidity will be around 10% if you live in a cold climate.
deleted 12y ago
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dwd 12y ago
What if your cash is also plastic? http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-Structure/Flagships/Future-Manufacturing-Flagship/Flexible-Electronics/World-first-polymer-banknote.aspx http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-Structure/Flagships/Future-...
IndianAstronaut 12y ago
Or use pure baby oil. I was using just that and it works great as a moisturizer.
- bkmartin 12y ago
  But to be fair... babies and their oil are naturally occurring organic substances.
deleted 12y ago
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themartorana 12y ago
They also didn't have things like sun screen, and died at half of the life expectancy we have now.
- jp555 12y ago
  Careful not to ignore the influence infant mortality has on average life expectancy. Long lives were common among adults, but the average life expectancy was dragged down because many more children than today died. It was common to have many kids because it was expected and normal that a significant number would not live to adulthood.

mahyarm 12y ago

Don't you also have eat french fries with hand cream covered hands that touched the receipt according to the article?

ewzimm 12y ago
No, that was part of the experiment, but they concluded that the primary route was through skin absorption: "These findings indicate that the primary route of BPA exposure was not via gastrointestinal absorption after eating the BPA-contaminated French fries"

paul 12y ago

Fascinating. Is there something in hand sanitizer or lotion that makes this happen, or is it just any fluid that facilitates the transfer?

ewzimm 12y ago
Any fluid facilitates the trasfer, but the researchers state: "The dermal penetration enhancing chemicals present in personal care products as well as hand sanitizers cause a breakdown of the dermal barrier leading to an increase in transdermal absorption"