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>populated by children with parents more heavily involved in their upbringing Is there evidence to back up this statement?

by jotux 12y ago

mikeyouse 12y ago
Simple logic would dictate that parents who opt in for better schools for their kids are more involved than those who don't opt in for better schools.. It's getting a bit out of hand where every single statement online is now getting a [Citation Needed] afterwards. There isn't a randomized controlled study for every single aspect of the universe, we'll have to use intuition occasionally.
- savanaly 12y ago
  I'm told it's called sea-lioning. http://wondermark.com/1k62/ http://wondermark.com/1k62/
  - mikeyouse 12y ago
    That's pretty good, I may start using that.
  - joncfoo 12y ago
    I now have a favourite comic :) Thanks!
  - emptytheory 12y ago
    Statements of preference are different than assertions about the world. The comic is funny, but it does have an antiphilosophical spirit, especially if you think it relates to the present conversation. I'm sorry. I care. (sorry (sorry)) ((((((sorry))))))
- jotux 12y ago
  >It's getting a bit out of hand where every single statement online is now getting a [Citation Needed] afterwards I wasn't asking if there was evidence just to be annoying, I was asking because the statement was exactly opposite of my expectation and I wanted to know if there was evidence to back it up. My personal experience with charter schools is that it's where many parents "dump" kids that were either kicked or failed out of public school. This comes from many conversations I've had with a high-school teacher I've become good friends at that switched from teaching public school to charter school ~5 years ago. I admit my perspective is very narrow but was hoping there was actual data to support the chart-school-parents-more-involved statement.
delecti 12y ago
I see two assumptions I made with that. First, that parents more heavily involved are more likely to opt-in to charter schools (or similarly though not equivalently, that parents who choose to opt-in are likely to have been more heavily involved). I consider it to be largely self-evident that parents who are not involved are very unlikely to opt-in, and while the converse isn't necessarily true, I think that fact alone would significantly sway the overall correlation of the "non opt-in" population. And second, that being more heavily involved leads to better outcomes for children, which I feel is self-evident, and is also highly supported by a quick google search for 'involved parents better students'.

>populated by children with parents more heavily involved in their upbringing Is there evidence to back up this statement?

by jotux 12y ago

>populated by children with parents more heavily involved in their upbringing Is there evidence to back up this statement?

mikeyouse 12y ago

Simple logic would dictate that parents who opt in for better schools for their kids are more involved than those who don't opt in for better schools.. It's getting a bit out of hand where every single statement online is now getting a [Citation Needed] afterwards. There isn't a randomized controlled study for every single aspect of the universe, we'll have to use intuition occasionally.

savanaly 12y ago
I'm told it's called sea-lioning. http://wondermark.com/1k62/ http://wondermark.com/1k62/
- mikeyouse 12y ago
  That's pretty good, I may start using that.
- joncfoo 12y ago
  I now have a favourite comic :) Thanks!
- emptytheory 12y ago
  Statements of preference are different than assertions about the world. The comic is funny, but it does have an antiphilosophical spirit, especially if you think it relates to the present conversation. I'm sorry. I care. (sorry (sorry)) ((((((sorry))))))
jotux 12y ago
>It's getting a bit out of hand where every single statement online is now getting a [Citation Needed] afterwards I wasn't asking if there was evidence just to be annoying, I was asking because the statement was exactly opposite of my expectation and I wanted to know if there was evidence to back it up. My personal experience with charter schools is that it's where many parents "dump" kids that were either kicked or failed out of public school. This comes from many conversations I've had with a high-school teacher I've become good friends at that switched from teaching public school to charter school ~5 years ago. I admit my perspective is very narrow but was hoping there was actual data to support the chart-school-parents-more-involved statement.

delecti 12y ago

I see two assumptions I made with that. First, that parents more heavily involved are more likely to opt-in to charter schools (or similarly though not equivalently, that parents who choose to opt-in are likely to have been more heavily involved). I consider it to be largely self-evident that parents who are not involved are very unlikely to opt-in, and while the converse isn't necessarily true, I think that fact alone would significantly sway the overall correlation of the "non opt-in" population. And second, that being more heavily involved leads to better outcomes for children, which I feel is self-evident, and is also highly supported by a quick google search for 'involved parents better students'.