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It'd be interesting to see a blind comparison of his pre/post-transition articles. I say this because I could _totally_ see making that transition to male repr

by kemayo 12y ago

It'd be interesting to see a blind comparison of his pre/post-transition articles. I say this because I could _totally_ see making that transition to male representing a removal of a big chunk of subconscious stress about how he was "lying to the world" about his gender by presenting as female. This could translate into an improvement in the quality of his post-transition work. Or it could be entirely gender-bias at play.

gizmo686 12y ago
I would want to see this experiment repeated trans females who (assuming the presented hypothesis) should see the inverse relationship. I suspect a better (and likely cheaper/easier) test is to take the same papers and present them under a male and female author name.
- rmc 12y ago
  > I would want to see this experiment repeated trans females who (assuming the presented hypothesis) should see the inverse relationship. Yep, there are ancedotes about trans women just as you predict: > Joan Roughgarden is a biologist at Stanford who lived and worked as Jonathan Roughgarden until her early fifties, and her experience was almost the mirror image of Barres’s. In her words, “men are assumed to be competent until proven otherwise, whereas a woman is assumed to be incompetent until she proves otherwise.” In an interview, Roughgarden also noted that if she questioned a mathematical idea, people assumed it was because she didn’t understand it. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119239/transgender-people-can-explain-why-women-dont-advance-work http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119239/transgender-people... > I suspect a better (and likely cheaper/easier) test is to take the same papers and present them under a male and female author name. There have been published scientific papers looking at (sort of) this. Send out job applications for a lab manager, and randomly assign a male or female name. Same job application otherwise. Male applications get more job offers and more money. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/201... http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474 http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474 We might give out to Creationists who don't want to accept reality about evolution, but well...
Fishkins 12y ago
There have been many similar studies performed that showed materials with female names are ranked lower than those with male names[0]. Same thing with black vs white-sounding names[1]. 0: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract 1: http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.htm...

by kemayo 12y ago

gizmo686 12y ago

I would want to see this experiment repeated trans females who (assuming the presented hypothesis) should see the inverse relationship. I suspect a better (and likely cheaper/easier) test is to take the same papers and present them under a male and female author name.

rmc 12y ago
> I would want to see this experiment repeated trans females who (assuming the presented hypothesis) should see the inverse relationship. Yep, there are ancedotes about trans women just as you predict: > Joan Roughgarden is a biologist at Stanford who lived and worked as Jonathan Roughgarden until her early fifties, and her experience was almost the mirror image of Barres’s. In her words, “men are assumed to be competent until proven otherwise, whereas a woman is assumed to be incompetent until she proves otherwise.” In an interview, Roughgarden also noted that if she questioned a mathematical idea, people assumed it was because she didn’t understand it. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119239/transgender-people-can-explain-why-women-dont-advance-work http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119239/transgender-people... > I suspect a better (and likely cheaper/easier) test is to take the same papers and present them under a male and female author name. There have been published scientific papers looking at (sort of) this. Send out job applications for a lab manager, and randomly assign a male or female name. Same job application otherwise. Male applications get more job offers and more money. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/201... http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474 http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474 We might give out to Creationists who don't want to accept reality about evolution, but well...

Fishkins 12y ago

There have been many similar studies performed that showed materials with female names are ranked lower than those with male names[0]. Same thing with black vs white-sounding names[1]. 0: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract 1: http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.htm...