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> It's all out in the open. Really? So they release the source to a few of their developer frameworks and tools, and they're now "all open"? Don't get me wron
by jenscow 12y ago
> It's all out in the open.
Really? So they release the source to a few of their developer frameworks and tools, and they're now "all open"?
Don't get me wrong, as a long time C# developer I do appreciate the gesture and I'm especially happy that they're working their "not invented here" mentality, but with simply providing us with the source code that we already have anyway (via ilspy), all of this just seems over-inflated to me.
Let me compile Visual Studio, and I'll be their biggest cheerleader; or IIS, IE... and I'll promise to stop dressing as one.
On buying Github, though? That could be the final 'E' of their strategy.
- sillysaurus3 12y agoCompletely agreed. Once Microsoft releases the VS source code, I'll be completely sold on the idea that it's reformed. Until then, this seems like very effective developer relations management.
- nbevans 12y agoWhy the VS source code? It would be almost entirely useless to anybody as there is 2 decades of legacy in that code base and MS has massive teams just trying to keep it all together. Only open source things that are WORTH open sourcing i.e. where you want active contributors.
- jenscow 12y agoWhy VS? So when things are removed, "we" can continue to maintain them. Sure, that provides no benefit for Microsoft but it does to its customers. It will also show the are serious about being "all open", rather than a few self-satisfying token gestures.
- sillysaurus3 12y agoIf I could compile VS myself, on my own box, that would be massive in ways that are hard to articulate. I wouldn't be contributing to VS. I'd be modifying VS for my own purposes, which is what open source is about.
- bunderbunder 12y agoThis isn't big because Microsoft has stared sharing source. The source to the .NET framework has been available _without_ ILSpy for years now. This is big because Microsoft is truly embracing an open source development model. They've opened most of the .NET platform up to the whole shebang - pull requests, copying code into other projects, forking, all that good stuff.
- bobajeff 12y agoYeah until they open source something else important to their platform (e.g. the NT kernel, DirectX, Trident/Chakra) saying they've fully embraced open source is a little premature.
- brudgers 12y agoMy point is that the changes in Microsoft's attitude toward open source have occurred in the open. It is a response to its parent comment which strongly suggests the attitude reflects a sudden and nefarious change in Microsoft's behaviour.