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Pretty cool! Are all these happening because Satya Nadella is trying to steer MS in new direction?

cpayne 12y ago
Maybe? But I think its more just a natural evolution. Scott Hanselman has been making noise regarding open source for years [1]. I'm not saying Scott is responsible, just that many people have been suggesting it for a long long time. I saw a job today asking for TFS skills. THAT is a dying product... [1] http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ExampleHowToContributeAPatchToAnOpenSourceProjectLikeDasBlog.aspx http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ExampleHowToContributeAPatchTo...
- pjmlp 12y ago
  You missed the part that TFS is much more than just source control and since TFS 2012 also supports Git.
  - josteink 12y ago
    You mean like. Application Lifecycle Management? ALM? Bug-tracking, release-management and stuff? Which they now will be using Github for? Oh. That's definitely interesting.
    - gokhan 12y ago
      HN does not give you clues to understand what's going on in the Enterperise market. So don't judge products based on what you see here. No one talks about SharePoint on HN, for example, but it's really something for the Enterprise. Just like TFS, and I have seen many Java teams moving in, ditching various expensive products from IBM, HP etc. Team sizes or focus in HN might be different so TFS might be seen as dying, but it's not the case in the field.
      - josteink 12y ago
        Since most of my work experience is from working at big corps or consultancies, I'm definitely aware of this. Microsoft has a heap of products and platforms not once mentioned on HN, but which are humongous in the organizations which decides to adapt them: Sharepoint, BizTalk, etc. But TFS has always been "the" corner-stone for optimal development in the Microsoft-world, when developing according to Microsoft agile/solutions-framework (MSF, etc). When Microsoft's own SDK teams dismiss their own development tools and platforms like TFS and Codeplex for competing platforms, like Git & Github, it definitely sends out mixed signals. Anyway you see it, Linus Thorvalds must be pretty happy now. Not only are Microsoft providing tools and source to the Linux-world, they are now also using his tools to develop their own platform. How things have changed, eh?
- pjmlp 12y ago
  You missed the part that TFS is much more than just source control and since TFS 2012 also supports Git.
InclinedPlane 12y ago
It's a natural evolution from long standing internal pressures. There has always been a strong contingent of folks within Microsoft who have espoused the "hacker" ethos more or less. Folks who cared as much about building cool things and pushing the state of the art as for making a dollar. Folks who pushed for open standards and cooperative rather than coercive interactions with other companies, customers, the dev community, etc. For a while those forces have struggled to have their voices heard but now they have a bit more cohesion and momentum on their side so you're seeing more of these things.
- iamcreasy 12y ago
  I don't know the inner working, but why couldn't they modify codeplex for their need? Why embrace github? or git? To me, it doesn't feel like a natural evolution at all, in fact it feels more like a sign that MS is embracing the open source community. So they can focus their energy on what's important, developing their software and maintaining good connection with the developer community.
  - InclinedPlane 12y ago
    "... it feels more like a sign that MS is embracing the open source community. So they can focus their energy on what's important, developing their software and maintaining good connection with the developer community." Yes, precisely. I'm not sure how you didn't get that out of what I said, but that's what was meant.

Maybe? But I think its more just a natural evolution. Scott Hanselman has been making noise regarding open source for years [1]. I'm not saying Scott is responsible, just that many people have been suggesting it for a long long time. I saw a job today asking for TFS skills. THAT is a dying product... [1] http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ExampleHowToContributeAPatchToAnOpenSourceProjectLikeDasBlog.aspx http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ExampleHowToContributeAPatchTo...

pjmlp 12y ago
You missed the part that TFS is much more than just source control and since TFS 2012 also supports Git.
- josteink 12y ago
  You mean like. Application Lifecycle Management? ALM? Bug-tracking, release-management and stuff? Which they now will be using Github for? Oh. That's definitely interesting.
  - gokhan 12y ago
    HN does not give you clues to understand what's going on in the Enterperise market. So don't judge products based on what you see here. No one talks about SharePoint on HN, for example, but it's really something for the Enterprise. Just like TFS, and I have seen many Java teams moving in, ditching various expensive products from IBM, HP etc. Team sizes or focus in HN might be different so TFS might be seen as dying, but it's not the case in the field.
    - josteink 12y ago
      Since most of my work experience is from working at big corps or consultancies, I'm definitely aware of this. Microsoft has a heap of products and platforms not once mentioned on HN, but which are humongous in the organizations which decides to adapt them: Sharepoint, BizTalk, etc. But TFS has always been "the" corner-stone for optimal development in the Microsoft-world, when developing according to Microsoft agile/solutions-framework (MSF, etc). When Microsoft's own SDK teams dismiss their own development tools and platforms like TFS and Codeplex for competing platforms, like Git & Github, it definitely sends out mixed signals. Anyway you see it, Linus Thorvalds must be pretty happy now. Not only are Microsoft providing tools and source to the Linux-world, they are now also using his tools to develop their own platform. How things have changed, eh?
pjmlp 12y ago
You missed the part that TFS is much more than just source control and since TFS 2012 also supports Git.

InclinedPlane 12y ago

It's a natural evolution from long standing internal pressures. There has always been a strong contingent of folks within Microsoft who have espoused the "hacker" ethos more or less. Folks who cared as much about building cool things and pushing the state of the art as for making a dollar. Folks who pushed for open standards and cooperative rather than coercive interactions with other companies, customers, the dev community, etc. For a while those forces have struggled to have their voices heard but now they have a bit more cohesion and momentum on their side so you're seeing more of these things.

iamcreasy 12y ago
I don't know the inner working, but why couldn't they modify codeplex for their need? Why embrace github? or git? To me, it doesn't feel like a natural evolution at all, in fact it feels more like a sign that MS is embracing the open source community. So they can focus their energy on what's important, developing their software and maintaining good connection with the developer community.
- InclinedPlane 12y ago
  "... it feels more like a sign that MS is embracing the open source community. So they can focus their energy on what's important, developing their software and maintaining good connection with the developer community." Yes, precisely. I'm not sure how you didn't get that out of what I said, but that's what was meant.