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"We don’t even want people like you in our subdivisions". It happens even now. I see in our Boston suburb, whites usually abandon apartment communities that inc

"We don’t even want people like you in our subdivisions". It happens even now. I see in our Boston suburb, whites usually abandon apartment communities that increasingly host foreign workers. And that's not because of violence. I really don't find it bizarre and it's perfectly natural. We find ourselves more comfortable among people of our own kind. If that's not acceptable then nationalism too shouldn't be because that's another kind of discrimination and at a different level.

longlivegnu 12y ago
>people of our own kind We're all humans? Aren't we all our own kind? There is no need to make further segregation.
- mc32 12y ago
  While I agree there is no reason to segregate along artificial "racial" lines, with seven billion people its not the same as living in a "tight knit" village. Sometimes foes arise and you need to segregate to that extent. Also in the workforce you need to segregate on ability ; in education among age/development/ability lines.
  - lsiebert 12y ago
    Is ability innate or informed by environment? If you segregate individuals into sub-standard education, you end up with people who's ability doesn't match their potential.
    - mc32 12y ago
      I think both are present. Ever see two siblings go in opposite academic direction from grade school to high school? Yes some is innate on the other hand some kids with great aptitude just don't have the opportunity due to their circumstance
- Domenic_S 12y ago
  Well, let's be honest, there are groups/divisions of people. Although the biggest divisions are, imo, related to wealth, not race.
- barry-cotter 12y ago
  That is the cant, yes. Personally I'd prefer to live among obnoxious judgmental hectoring Berkeley liberals than in an Amish or Hasidic neighbourhood but I'd prefer either to the kind of place where the police come around all the time.
yzzxy 12y ago
That quote was referring to racist homeowners who were planning to leave when Asian Americans moved in: --- "The same issue affected Asian-Americans. When progressive suburban developer Joseph Eichler’s company sold a home in 1954 to an Asian-American family in Palo Alto, word spread through the neighborhood and five homeowners approached the company demanding immediate refunds. 'Get out,' Eichler’s business partner, Jim San Jule, told the white homeowners. 'We don’t even want people like you in our subdivisions.'" --- Segregation is an insidious evil that can exacerbate problems such as violence and poverty for generations after legal controls or social pressures disappear. See: the entire city of Chicago and the issues it has faced. "Seperate but equal" was abandoned by SCOTUS decades ago. Maybe it's time for you to catch up.
- mc32 12y ago
  In addition you have the reverse now happening where parents seek out Asian neighborhoods for the better schools and a sharp focus on education.
- sliverstorm 12y ago
  I'm in favor of desgregation, but if John Homeowner wants to flee the neighborhood (which is what enlightenedfool describes), that is his choice. It is not our right to tell him who he must live with.
- yummyfajitas 12y ago
  Segregation is using threats of violence to force people to live separately. "Separate but equal" was enforced at the point of a gun. The OP explicitly disavowed that. He's describing voluntary movement. For example, the tendency of Mexicans to live near each other, or for Indian immigrants to the US to live in Jersey City or Edison. Enlightenedfool's point is that most people, including very pleasant people, harbor tribalist feelings. And these tribalist feelings inform consumption choices. For example, the bad romantic comedies my girlfriend watches have a disproportionate number of black people in them - eventually google informed me that "African American Comedy" is a genre. A steelman of enlightenedfool's point might note the condemnation of white people making consumption choices based on tribalism, and ask if a black woman preferring to watch movies with Meagan Good and Taraji P. Henson rather than Kate Hudson and Jennifer Aniston deserves similar condemnation.

longlivegnu 12y ago

>people of our own kind We're all humans? Aren't we all our own kind? There is no need to make further segregation.

mc32 12y ago
While I agree there is no reason to segregate along artificial "racial" lines, with seven billion people its not the same as living in a "tight knit" village. Sometimes foes arise and you need to segregate to that extent. Also in the workforce you need to segregate on ability ; in education among age/development/ability lines.
- lsiebert 12y ago
  Is ability innate or informed by environment? If you segregate individuals into sub-standard education, you end up with people who's ability doesn't match their potential.
  - mc32 12y ago
    I think both are present. Ever see two siblings go in opposite academic direction from grade school to high school? Yes some is innate on the other hand some kids with great aptitude just don't have the opportunity due to their circumstance
Domenic_S 12y ago
Well, let's be honest, there are groups/divisions of people. Although the biggest divisions are, imo, related to wealth, not race.
barry-cotter 12y ago
That is the cant, yes. Personally I'd prefer to live among obnoxious judgmental hectoring Berkeley liberals than in an Amish or Hasidic neighbourhood but I'd prefer either to the kind of place where the police come around all the time.

yzzxy 12y ago

That quote was referring to racist homeowners who were planning to leave when Asian Americans moved in: --- "The same issue affected Asian-Americans. When progressive suburban developer Joseph Eichler’s company sold a home in 1954 to an Asian-American family in Palo Alto, word spread through the neighborhood and five homeowners approached the company demanding immediate refunds. 'Get out,' Eichler’s business partner, Jim San Jule, told the white homeowners. 'We don’t even want people like you in our subdivisions.'" --- Segregation is an insidious evil that can exacerbate problems such as violence and poverty for generations after legal controls or social pressures disappear. See: the entire city of Chicago and the issues it has faced. "Seperate but equal" was abandoned by SCOTUS decades ago. Maybe it's time for you to catch up.

mc32 12y ago
In addition you have the reverse now happening where parents seek out Asian neighborhoods for the better schools and a sharp focus on education.
sliverstorm 12y ago
I'm in favor of desgregation, but if John Homeowner wants to flee the neighborhood (which is what enlightenedfool describes), that is his choice. It is not our right to tell him who he must live with.
yummyfajitas 12y ago
Segregation is using threats of violence to force people to live separately. "Separate but equal" was enforced at the point of a gun. The OP explicitly disavowed that. He's describing voluntary movement. For example, the tendency of Mexicans to live near each other, or for Indian immigrants to the US to live in Jersey City or Edison. Enlightenedfool's point is that most people, including very pleasant people, harbor tribalist feelings. And these tribalist feelings inform consumption choices. For example, the bad romantic comedies my girlfriend watches have a disproportionate number of black people in them - eventually google informed me that "African American Comedy" is a genre. A steelman of enlightenedfool's point might note the condemnation of white people making consumption choices based on tribalism, and ask if a black woman preferring to watch movies with Meagan Good and Taraji P. Henson rather than Kate Hudson and Jennifer Aniston deserves similar condemnation.