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I think this thread demonstrates (at least part of) the issue. If you've been hired then you're already past the first hurdle. The attitude that you somehow hav

• doktrin 12y ago
  > The attitude that you somehow have to 'pay your dues' is part of the overall problem and is akin in spirit to 'hazing'. > There are may ways to give encouraging feedback You seem to be implying that these two concepts are mutually exclusive. They're in fact completely independent of one another. > The comparison with the professional chef is amusing considering the TV chef shows I've seen. They're regularly abusive, cantankerous and create terrible environments to work in (imho). Not something that the developer community should aspire to. That actually wasn't lost on me. TV shows aggrandize it, but the culinary world is not a polite one. If anything, this should help serve as a point of reference. The "tech industry" is not harsh. It is in fact exceedingly gentle.
  • amirmc 12y ago
    > You seem to be implying that these two concepts are mutually exclusive. They're in fact completely independent of one another. My point here (perhaps poorly made) is that people behave as though they're mutually exclusive. e.g. that you're not really paying your dues unless people are shitting on your work (and when you've progressed, you'll shit on those below you). > The "tech industry" is not harsh. It is in fact exceedingly gentle. Picking an extreme example and then saying tech is gentle by comparison is somewhat ridiculous. The tech industry is certainly more relaxed in a number of ways (e.g dress code) but that doesn't mean it's 'gentle' in every respect. As the OP tries to point out.
    • doktrin 12y ago
      > My point here (perhaps poorly made) is that people behave as though they're mutually exclusive. e.g. that you're not really paying your dues unless people are shitting on your work (and when you've progressed, you'll shit on those below you). You're jumping to the unreasonable conclusion that the only possible interpretation of "paying ones dues" is to be "shit on". That is, quite correctly, the view held by certain occupations (e.g. the military), but it is not the only way to parse the term. A more charitable way of interpreting it would be as shorthand for "demonstrating commitment and competence". This is a fairly ubiquitous concept across virtually all professions. > Picking an extreme example and then saying tech is gentle by comparison is somewhat ridiculous. The tech industry is certainly more relaxed in a number of ways (e.g dress code) but that doesn't mean it's 'gentle' in every respect. Did you expect me to enumerate every industry that I consider less forgiving and more emotionally demanding than tech? Fine. academia finance military & law enforcement law medicine management consulting Those are just the industries I could name off the top of my head and which I have enough familiarity with to pass judgment.