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This blog reminds me of something I heard in an interview with Dr. Roy Baumeister. He pointed out that when he works with grad students he has to actively criti
by golemotron 12y ago
This blog reminds me of something I heard in an interview with Dr. Roy Baumeister. He pointed out that when he works with grad students he has to actively criticize and knock down most of the ideas that his male students have because they are full of testosterone and hubris and he has to actively draw out his female students to build their confidence. He told some of his grad students this years ago and they thought he was being sexist, but years later when they (both male and female) got their own grad students they noticed the same thing.
Baumeister is a psychologist who has done research in evolutionary psychology, culture, and gender. His point is that, as taboo as the subject is today, there are differences (statistically) between men and women: how they learn and how they interact socially, and what they like. Right now, we are doing a lot of work to make STEM a better environment for women, but we probably also need to understand that the style of interaction that the poster is criticizing is not bad per se, it’s just a male style, and it does work - it’s what young men use to push themselves further. Women, on average, seem to need/want a different style. It’s going to be hard to figure out how to accommodate both needs without systematically favoring one.
We may not be at the right stage culturally to have a serious conversation about this. I think this is one of Paul Graham’s “Things You Can’t Say” http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html
- jnbiche 12y agoIt's not just women who prefer this communication style, by the way. As a male, I find the constant jockying for position among other men to be tiresome and stressful. It's particularly acute among other coders. To be honest, it's also one of the main reasons I don't maintain many friendships with men. There are others still who are often excluded in this kind of environment: minorities, LGBTs, and people who are shy by nature.
- golemotron 12y agoI feel the same way, but I think it is wrong to consider that style bad. We shouldn't have to contain our natural exuberance and energy all the time. A true diversity would provide some place for it.
- jnbiche 12y agoFair point, and I don't consider it "bad" in the workplace. I've worked in places where there was an abundance of different styles (in academia), and it worked great. I'm actually kind of trying to return to academia (as staff, probably) for that reason.