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"Well, I consider BBC to be the most reliable source of news there is" Sorry no offense meant, but then in fact you are just repeating the party line. "As for

"Well, I consider BBC to be the most reliable source of news there is" Sorry no offense meant, but then in fact you are just repeating the party line. "As for "personal experience": I come from a country which used to be communist." My sincerest apologies if you yourself suffered, might I enquire as to which country? I am genuinely interested.

gambiting 12y ago
No offence taken, but what party? I mean, sure, I could spend several thousand dollars and go to North Korea myself, but if journalists from various countries and from various news outlets report the same thing....then I think we can safely assume it's true? I wonder, what kind of journalistic evidence do you support then? And the country is Poland.
- kabouseng 12y ago
  I don't really care to continue this line of debate too much longer, and it may have already gone too far, as HN is not a political debating forum. But I am very skeptical of anything reported in any of the big media outlets[1]. Off course you have to get your news somewhere, I am just very sensitive to the background narrative, be it Western, Russian or Korean. So the "party" line I am speaking about is how certain countries are always branded as the "bad/corrupt/terrorist" countries, but from first hand experience many of these countries are inhabited by people just going their own way. And the Western / Russian / whatever media very quickly forgets their own transgressions and that of their countries. [1] http://themindunleashed.org/2014/10/german-journalist-blows-whistle-cia-controls-media.html http://themindunleashed.org/2014/10/german-journalist-blows-...
  - gambiting 12y ago
    Well, it's very convenient to start a discussion and then say you are not interested any longer. We are having a civilised discussion - so let's discuss. And North Korea is interesting because going there is really not an option for 99.99% of us - so we have to rely on reports. And like I've said - things like food shortages or media censorship are reported by literally every journalist who has been to North Korea - doesn't matter if they are Polish, British, German, American or Russian. If you are starting from the point of view that CIA controls media worldwide, then there is literally no point in reading any news what so ever. But at the moment I do not even know what sort of point you are trying to make - that NK does not have censorship, or that computers connected to the Internet are not monitored by government agents? We have several sources that say they are - and what is your counter argument? That we cannot trust these sources? That would be a very interesting allegation to make, but unless you provide some rationale for your argument that's all they are going to remain - allegations. Also - you are linking an article that uses RT as its only source? RT being so pro-Russian and pro-Russian propaganda it's not even funny - and that's the only source?

gambiting 12y ago

No offence taken, but what party? I mean, sure, I could spend several thousand dollars and go to North Korea myself, but if journalists from various countries and from various news outlets report the same thing....then I think we can safely assume it's true? I wonder, what kind of journalistic evidence do you support then? And the country is Poland.

kabouseng 12y ago
I don't really care to continue this line of debate too much longer, and it may have already gone too far, as HN is not a political debating forum. But I am very skeptical of anything reported in any of the big media outlets[1]. Off course you have to get your news somewhere, I am just very sensitive to the background narrative, be it Western, Russian or Korean. So the "party" line I am speaking about is how certain countries are always branded as the "bad/corrupt/terrorist" countries, but from first hand experience many of these countries are inhabited by people just going their own way. And the Western / Russian / whatever media very quickly forgets their own transgressions and that of their countries. [1] http://themindunleashed.org/2014/10/german-journalist-blows-whistle-cia-controls-media.html http://themindunleashed.org/2014/10/german-journalist-blows-...
- gambiting 12y ago
  Well, it's very convenient to start a discussion and then say you are not interested any longer. We are having a civilised discussion - so let's discuss. And North Korea is interesting because going there is really not an option for 99.99% of us - so we have to rely on reports. And like I've said - things like food shortages or media censorship are reported by literally every journalist who has been to North Korea - doesn't matter if they are Polish, British, German, American or Russian. If you are starting from the point of view that CIA controls media worldwide, then there is literally no point in reading any news what so ever. But at the moment I do not even know what sort of point you are trying to make - that NK does not have censorship, or that computers connected to the Internet are not monitored by government agents? We have several sources that say they are - and what is your counter argument? That we cannot trust these sources? That would be a very interesting allegation to make, but unless you provide some rationale for your argument that's all they are going to remain - allegations. Also - you are linking an article that uses RT as its only source? RT being so pro-Russian and pro-Russian propaganda it's not even funny - and that's the only source?