4 ms·
> The overall environment matters more than the teacher. You seem to be suggesting that the quality of the teacher can play only a minor role in the educationa
by MarkMc 12y ago
> The overall environment matters more than the teacher.
You seem to be suggesting that the quality of the teacher can play only a minor role in the educational outcome for disadvantaged students. Yet there is considerable evidence to support the opposite view. Here is a summary of a few studies as reported in Teaching as Leadership [1]:
"The schools that are highly effective produce results that almost entirely overcome the effects of student background" [2]
"Having a top-quartile teacher rather than a bottom-quartile teacher four years in a row would be enough to close the black-white test score gap" [3]
"Differences in this magnitude -- 50 percentile points in just three years -- are stunning. For an individual child, it means the difference between a 'remedial' label and placement in the accelerated or even gifted track. And the difference between entry into a selective college and a lifetime of low-paying, menial work". [4]
[1] http://www.amazon.com/Teaching-As-Leadership-Effective-Achievement/dp/0470432861 http://www.amazon.com/Teaching-As-Leadership-Effective-Achie...
[2] Marzano, R. J. What Works in Schools: Translating Research into Action. Alexandria, Va.: ASCD, 2003, p. 7
[3] Kane, T., Gordon, R. and Staiger, D. Identifying Effective Teachers Useing Performance on the Job Washington, D.C.: Brookings Institution, 2004, p. 8
[4] Peske, H. and Haycock, K. Teaching Inequality: How Poor and Minority Students Are Short-Changed on Teacher Quality: A Report and Recommendations by the Education Trust. Washington, D.C.: Education Trust, 2006, p. 11
- waspleg 12y agoI work at a public high school. Marzano is currently overseeing the building I work in as our educational "partner". He hasn't set foot in a classroom since the 70s and is utterly clueless. The article makes some good points and mirrors the experience of many ambitious teachers I've seen ground out of "the system".
- pdabbadabba 12y agoI'm not sure why a person would need to set foot in a classroom in order to measure what works in education. Sure, a teacher will have anecdotal evidence about what works and what hasn't for his students. Some of this may even be quite powerful. But it will also necessarily be tied to the socioeconomic patterns that exist among his students, external school circumstances, his personality, etc. That's why there are people who study the behavior of teachers in the aggregate (and, yes, this involves measuring outcomes through testing), and the associated educational outcomes, so that policymakers at various levels can guide the educational system as a whole in a way that will be the most helpful for the most students. This is, broadly speaking, just one example of how social science research and policymaking is done. Of course, none of this means that Marzano is not clueless. He might be clueless for entirely separate reasons.
- deleted 12y ago[deleted]