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No raises in six years as inflation marches steadily on is a 10% paycut. Criminal. It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-

No raises in six years as inflation marches steadily on is a 10% paycut. Criminal. It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo.

hueving 12y ago
>Criminal. Not really. >It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo. It's become very apparent that the majority of our college-educated citizens are not paid very much. Just being "college-educated" is not enough anymore.
kodreaming 12y ago
College-educated means nothing unless you are talking about Africa. With all due respect, people got into education is not really the brightest bunch...
- thinkpad20 12y ago
  > With all due respect, people got into education is not really the brightest bunch... Is that grammar meant to be ironic? :| Anyway, broadly demeaning a giant group of people is offensive, and the suggestion that most teachers are not bright is ridiculous. Many (most) teachers are very intelligent people, enthusiastic about education and greatly desire to give their students the best possible education they can. Unfortunately in America we have such little respect (and pay) for teachers, and the job itself has so much baggage associated with it (as this blog post discusses) that the best and brightest are often discouraged from becoming teachers.
  - douche 12y ago
    Statistics are not demeaning http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-average-sat-score-for-every-college-major-2014-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-average-sat-score-f...
- pizza 12y ago
  Say all you want about a hypothetical person's intellect, but there's no doubt that college education debt is dangerous to all career paths selected other than by salary. (And the comment about African students/scholarships is no less patronizing just because it's simultaneously mocking American teachers..)
- panzagl 12y ago
  Teaching is not about abstract symbol manipulation and interpretation- its about empathy and patience.
brandonmenc 12y ago
> It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo. If you dig around the author's Google+ account, his wife appears not to work. I'm not casting stones re: single worker households - particularly if they're living within their means - but an American household wanting to do more than just scrape by requires multiple incomes. That's been the case for decades. Anecdotally, I have some teachers in my family, and as far as I can tell they really do get summers off. It wouldn't be a crime for any of them to get a summer job, imo. I'm not commenting on teacher pay in general, just that working two jobs is not always a horrible injustice.
- mullingitover 12y ago
  The two-income household is sort of the 'betray' option in prisoner's dilemma. If nobody did it, labor would be vastly more valuable, and nobody would need two incomes to support a family (generally). Kids get a full-time parent, nobody has to depend on day care, it's an awesome deal for families. However, as soon as the critical mass of people starts depending on the extra income stream, the value of the labor drops and eventually that extra worker in the household isn't optional, it's required in order not to live a life of borderline (or real) poverty.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    Moloch at work. In the end everything stays the same, only everyone's position is worse.
  - coryrc 12y ago
    Yeah, because no one can create wealth, especially not women...
    - mullingitover 12y ago
      Well that's a pretty sexist thing to say, and why even bring gender into this at all?
jpadkins 12y ago
education degrees are lower on the IQ scale http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-colle... I think they are paid about right, given the business model. If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career).
- kansface 12y ago
  Workers aren't paid based on their IQ, but on supply and demand.
- pdabbadabba 12y ago
  > education degrees are lower on the IQ scale What makes you think this is a cause, rather than an effect of low pay? (Assuming, dubiously, these statistics aren't total nonsense, and we should actually care about average IQ.)
- debacle 12y ago
  > If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career). That's a non sequitur. The reality is that, in states where teachers are paid well, students do well. In states where teachers are paid poorly, students tend to do poorly. Education is a priority in some states and less of a priority in others.
waylandsmithers 12y ago
college-educated? It's even worse- many schools require teachers to have a masters degree also.

hueving 12y ago

>Criminal. Not really. >It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo. It's become very apparent that the majority of our college-educated citizens are not paid very much. Just being "college-educated" is not enough anymore.

kodreaming 12y ago

College-educated means nothing unless you are talking about Africa. With all due respect, people got into education is not really the brightest bunch...

thinkpad20 12y ago
> With all due respect, people got into education is not really the brightest bunch... Is that grammar meant to be ironic? :| Anyway, broadly demeaning a giant group of people is offensive, and the suggestion that most teachers are not bright is ridiculous. Many (most) teachers are very intelligent people, enthusiastic about education and greatly desire to give their students the best possible education they can. Unfortunately in America we have such little respect (and pay) for teachers, and the job itself has so much baggage associated with it (as this blog post discusses) that the best and brightest are often discouraged from becoming teachers.
- douche 12y ago
  Statistics are not demeaning http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-average-sat-score-for-every-college-major-2014-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-average-sat-score-f...
pizza 12y ago
Say all you want about a hypothetical person's intellect, but there's no doubt that college education debt is dangerous to all career paths selected other than by salary. (And the comment about African students/scholarships is no less patronizing just because it's simultaneously mocking American teachers..)
panzagl 12y ago
Teaching is not about abstract symbol manipulation and interpretation- its about empathy and patience.

brandonmenc 12y ago

> It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo. If you dig around the author's Google+ account, his wife appears not to work. I'm not casting stones re: single worker households - particularly if they're living within their means - but an American household wanting to do more than just scrape by requires multiple incomes. That's been the case for decades. Anecdotally, I have some teachers in my family, and as far as I can tell they really do get summers off. It wouldn't be a crime for any of them to get a summer job, imo. I'm not commenting on teacher pay in general, just that working two jobs is not always a horrible injustice.

mullingitover 12y ago
The two-income household is sort of the 'betray' option in prisoner's dilemma. If nobody did it, labor would be vastly more valuable, and nobody would need two incomes to support a family (generally). Kids get a full-time parent, nobody has to depend on day care, it's an awesome deal for families. However, as soon as the critical mass of people starts depending on the extra income stream, the value of the labor drops and eventually that extra worker in the household isn't optional, it's required in order not to live a life of borderline (or real) poverty.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  Moloch at work. In the end everything stays the same, only everyone's position is worse.
- coryrc 12y ago
  Yeah, because no one can create wealth, especially not women...
  - mullingitover 12y ago
    Well that's a pretty sexist thing to say, and why even bring gender into this at all?

jpadkins 12y ago

education degrees are lower on the IQ scale http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-colle... I think they are paid about right, given the business model. If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career).

kansface 12y ago
Workers aren't paid based on their IQ, but on supply and demand.
pdabbadabba 12y ago
> education degrees are lower on the IQ scale What makes you think this is a cause, rather than an effect of low pay? (Assuming, dubiously, these statistics aren't total nonsense, and we should actually care about average IQ.)
debacle 12y ago
> If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career). That's a non sequitur. The reality is that, in states where teachers are paid well, students do well. In states where teachers are paid poorly, students tend to do poorly. Education is a priority in some states and less of a priority in others.

waylandsmithers 12y ago

college-educated? It's even worse- many schools require teachers to have a masters degree also.