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Completely wrong on both counts. It is quite literally a different game, and bluffing is arguably more important in limit than in no limit.

by thret 12y ago

tmuir 12y ago
Could you elaborate on this? Maybe the group I play with just sets the limit too low, but it's almost to the point that bluffing is pointless, and you only win with good cards. We usually play well into the night, so 5 or 6 hours. On most nights, there are less than 3 hands that don't result in showing cards. What good is bluffing if the threat of losing isn't great enough to make people fold? It's a nice social outlet, but I would definitely prefer no limit.
- thret 12y ago
  Oh. Yes, low limit full ring games are quite different. If every hand comes to showdown you are all playing loose, and the correct strategy is indeed tight aggressive. The article and my comment are referring to a two player limit holdem game vs an opponent who does not make mistakes. So I presume this is equivalent to a high stakes match with two professionals.
encoderer 12y ago
Playing no limit, a bot would have to handle an opponent who makes a big bet in an attempt to induce the bot to fold. Moreover, bluffing isn't as crucial in Limit b/c you have little leverage to push somebody off their hand. Many people will chase because the pot odds or their own playing style demand it. Finally, NL or Limit are both poker. In fact, they're both Texas Hold'em. So "quite literally" i respectfully disagree with your assessment. I'm not a professional poker player, but I did work with one to build a bot about 9 years ago on top of WinHoldem. It was more or less a break even bot on PokerStars if left to play itself, but its real value to that team was as a force multiplier. It made multi-tabling easier, raising interrupts whenever the bot woke up with a hand. I'm not one for online debates, so feel free to have the last word. To put it another way, I check in the dark.
- thret 12y ago
  I guess chalk it up to semantics? I could happily argue that online NLHE and live NLHE are also two different games. Like comparing tennis to squash - similar, but not the same. Of course, this would be better argued on 2+2.

Completely wrong on both counts. It is quite literally a different game, and bluffing is arguably more important in limit than in no limit.

by thret 12y ago

Completely wrong on both counts. It is quite literally a different game, and bluffing is arguably more important in limit than in no limit.

tmuir 12y ago

Could you elaborate on this? Maybe the group I play with just sets the limit too low, but it's almost to the point that bluffing is pointless, and you only win with good cards. We usually play well into the night, so 5 or 6 hours. On most nights, there are less than 3 hands that don't result in showing cards. What good is bluffing if the threat of losing isn't great enough to make people fold? It's a nice social outlet, but I would definitely prefer no limit.

thret 12y ago
Oh. Yes, low limit full ring games are quite different. If every hand comes to showdown you are all playing loose, and the correct strategy is indeed tight aggressive. The article and my comment are referring to a two player limit holdem game vs an opponent who does not make mistakes. So I presume this is equivalent to a high stakes match with two professionals.

encoderer 12y ago

Playing no limit, a bot would have to handle an opponent who makes a big bet in an attempt to induce the bot to fold. Moreover, bluffing isn't as crucial in Limit b/c you have little leverage to push somebody off their hand. Many people will chase because the pot odds or their own playing style demand it. Finally, NL or Limit are both poker. In fact, they're both Texas Hold'em. So "quite literally" i respectfully disagree with your assessment. I'm not a professional poker player, but I did work with one to build a bot about 9 years ago on top of WinHoldem. It was more or less a break even bot on PokerStars if left to play itself, but its real value to that team was as a force multiplier. It made multi-tabling easier, raising interrupts whenever the bot woke up with a hand. I'm not one for online debates, so feel free to have the last word. To put it another way, I check in the dark.

thret 12y ago
I guess chalk it up to semantics? I could happily argue that online NLHE and live NLHE are also two different games. Like comparing tennis to squash - similar, but not the same. Of course, this would be better argued on 2+2.