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When you hire for a person, you find that personality traits are much more important than what an applicant has done in the past, including passion, drive, etc.

When you hire for a person, you find that personality traits are much more important than what an applicant has done in the past, including passion, drive, etc. When you hire to fill a position, all this goes out the window the applicant goes into the hiring lottery pool to maybe get an interview, and then the traditional "You could totally goog this IRL, but I'm going to hire you based off your memory" type of hiring.

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bbcbasic 12y ago
I find that > 90% of interviews to be the latter, unfortunately. The ones where I got the job were the former! I am stronger at concepts than memory.
- dccoolgai 12y ago
  The worst is when you have to go through one of those interviews with some smug hoser across from you whose face is contorted into a rictus grin because you couldn't recall, immediately from memory, some obscure Junior Year Computer Science thing. It's just amazing how bad the hiring situation is - It makes me a lot less likely to look around because I just don't want to go through that.
  - buckbova 12y ago
    This of course goes both ways. If you put on your resume that you have expert/mastery level experience in technology X, don't be surprised if I drill you on it.
    - midnightclubbed 12y ago
      Because a good percentage of those experts then surprise interviewers by not having even a basic level of understanding of the subject. Usually those resumes were 'edited' by an agency trying to get their 20%.
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    Yet the number of interviewees with a CS degree that can't even explain a basic algorithm, like traversing linked lists or binary search, is staggering.
    - RandallBrown 12y ago
      It's amazing how the brain can totally blank in stressful situations.
      - MichaelGG 12y ago
        Eh I doubt that explains it. In my experience, the response is shock. Not "oh hmm well, lemme think". It's " I've never written that code since school! That's a terrible thing to ask! Why would I ever write that? " Also, for trivial algorithms and data structures, mind blanking is a potentially bad sign. Like, if you cannot explain the idea of garbage collection (not necessarily implementation details), then I gotta question your understanding of your environment.
        lukeholder 12y ago
        I am reasonably experienced programmer who has delivered numerous web applications and websites. I could not explain to you how a linked list or binary tree worked - although I am sure I could look them up on google and understand the concepts given 30 minutes.
        dbenhur 12y ago
        "Experienced programmers" who don't understand linked lists and binary trees without looking them up are strong no hires anywhere I have worked in the last three decades. Please stop writing software until this isn't a problem. * edit: please stop asking people to pay you to write software. Keep writing software on your own until such elementary ideas such as linked lists and binary trees are core to your understanding, then apply again.
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  - sago 12y ago
    Worth having some equivalent questions of your own. "Good question, while I think about that, can I give you an interesting brain-teaser from my last interview?" Figuring out if the tech lead who'll manage you is a jerk is a major task in being interviewed.
  - reality_czech 12y ago
    Hey, you have no right to complain about my rictus grin. I even let you grab a free snack from the snack bar on your way out.
humanrebar 12y ago
> When you hire for a person, you find that personality traits are much more important than what an applicant has done in the past, including passion, drive, etc. For early- to mid-career developers, definitely. But I wouldn't hire a fixer-upper architect (or systems specialist) then turn him loose on business-critical parts of my system. That's not to say you can't hire an architect for her big upside, but you'd want someone to collaborate on important decisions until she's proven herself capable and trustworthy.
- deedubaya 12y ago
  Agreed. However, saying personality traits are much more important doesn't reduce the value of past experiences.
kyllo 12y ago
This is a very wise observation.

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bbcbasic 12y ago

I find that > 90% of interviews to be the latter, unfortunately. The ones where I got the job were the former! I am stronger at concepts than memory.

dccoolgai 12y ago
The worst is when you have to go through one of those interviews with some smug hoser across from you whose face is contorted into a rictus grin because you couldn't recall, immediately from memory, some obscure Junior Year Computer Science thing. It's just amazing how bad the hiring situation is - It makes me a lot less likely to look around because I just don't want to go through that.
- buckbova 12y ago
  This of course goes both ways. If you put on your resume that you have expert/mastery level experience in technology X, don't be surprised if I drill you on it.
  - midnightclubbed 12y ago
    Because a good percentage of those experts then surprise interviewers by not having even a basic level of understanding of the subject. Usually those resumes were 'edited' by an agency trying to get their 20%.
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  Yet the number of interviewees with a CS degree that can't even explain a basic algorithm, like traversing linked lists or binary search, is staggering.
  - RandallBrown 12y ago
    It's amazing how the brain can totally blank in stressful situations.
    - MichaelGG 12y ago
      Eh I doubt that explains it. In my experience, the response is shock. Not "oh hmm well, lemme think". It's " I've never written that code since school! That's a terrible thing to ask! Why would I ever write that? " Also, for trivial algorithms and data structures, mind blanking is a potentially bad sign. Like, if you cannot explain the idea of garbage collection (not necessarily implementation details), then I gotta question your understanding of your environment.
      - lukeholder 12y ago
        I am reasonably experienced programmer who has delivered numerous web applications and websites. I could not explain to you how a linked list or binary tree worked - although I am sure I could look them up on google and understand the concepts given 30 minutes.
        dbenhur 12y ago
        "Experienced programmers" who don't understand linked lists and binary trees without looking them up are strong no hires anywhere I have worked in the last three decades. Please stop writing software until this isn't a problem. * edit: please stop asking people to pay you to write software. Keep writing software on your own until such elementary ideas such as linked lists and binary trees are core to your understanding, then apply again.
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- sago 12y ago
  Worth having some equivalent questions of your own. "Good question, while I think about that, can I give you an interesting brain-teaser from my last interview?" Figuring out if the tech lead who'll manage you is a jerk is a major task in being interviewed.
- reality_czech 12y ago
  Hey, you have no right to complain about my rictus grin. I even let you grab a free snack from the snack bar on your way out.

humanrebar 12y ago

> When you hire for a person, you find that personality traits are much more important than what an applicant has done in the past, including passion, drive, etc. For early- to mid-career developers, definitely. But I wouldn't hire a fixer-upper architect (or systems specialist) then turn him loose on business-critical parts of my system. That's not to say you can't hire an architect for her big upside, but you'd want someone to collaborate on important decisions until she's proven herself capable and trustworthy.

deedubaya 12y ago
Agreed. However, saying personality traits are much more important doesn't reduce the value of past experiences.

kyllo 12y ago

This is a very wise observation.