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No-one deserves death or prison for speech/art. That said, someone explain to me how mocking people's beliefs brings positive change in this world. I don't ge

by ck2 12y ago

No-one deserves death or prison for speech/art. That said, someone explain to me how mocking people's beliefs brings positive change in this world. I don't get the point of satire. It just makes people who already agree pat themselves on the back and the people you are mocking will double down to spite you. It's not intellectually clever, it is just bullying in another form. You want people to change without war, then you need dialog. Satire is not dialog, it is a one-way street.

Ensorceled 12y ago
Some people are swayed by rational argument and some are not. Some people are swayed by emotional argument and some are not. Some people are swayed by satire and some are not. Satire, it general, is not intended for the people being satirized, it's intended to enlighten the audience about the true nature of those being satirized. This satire, in particular, was meant to illustrate to the French audience that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Islam already knows that it is not. Just because you, personally, seem confused by satire to the point of bewilderment and anger doesn't mean satire is not an effective tool in convincing others on important topics and issues.
- ck2 12y ago
  See how we are having a conversation and you are trying to convince me of something? I have to believe that is the best way to make the world work eventually, or at least get people to stop killing each other. If I was to then start calling you names or mocking what you hold dear, the outcome is guaranteed to end badly. Now if you are saying satire is the way give the non-deep thinking third-parties cartoons like people read the funny-pages, I still do not see how that solves anything. If the cartoon is what it takes to make them grasp something then you are not dealing with something rational.
mkawia 12y ago
There's good satire. Religious even ,it can even be blasphemous and it will all be a non religious person being non religious-sy. But inciting people and/or depicting people as terrorist only ends up bad and nothing's good ever comes out of it .
aikah 12y ago
> That said, someone explain to me how mocking people's beliefs brings positive change in this world. Nothing is sacred,that's the positive change to the world. Everybody will have, sooner or later, to acknowledge the fact that religions are no different from fairy tails.
- ck2 12y ago
  If we are going to dismember religions, let's first start with the largest that has done the most damage across the entire world. Then we can work our way down the list.
  - aikah 12y ago
    and which one would it be? islam and christianity are pretty much on part when it comes to body count.Do you think muslims converted whole parts of the world peacefully?

by ck2 12y ago

Ensorceled 12y ago

Some people are swayed by rational argument and some are not. Some people are swayed by emotional argument and some are not. Some people are swayed by satire and some are not. Satire, it general, is not intended for the people being satirized, it's intended to enlighten the audience about the true nature of those being satirized. This satire, in particular, was meant to illustrate to the French audience that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Islam already knows that it is not. Just because you, personally, seem confused by satire to the point of bewilderment and anger doesn't mean satire is not an effective tool in convincing others on important topics and issues.

ck2 12y ago
See how we are having a conversation and you are trying to convince me of something? I have to believe that is the best way to make the world work eventually, or at least get people to stop killing each other. If I was to then start calling you names or mocking what you hold dear, the outcome is guaranteed to end badly. Now if you are saying satire is the way give the non-deep thinking third-parties cartoons like people read the funny-pages, I still do not see how that solves anything. If the cartoon is what it takes to make them grasp something then you are not dealing with something rational.

mkawia 12y ago

There's good satire. Religious even ,it can even be blasphemous and it will all be a non religious person being non religious-sy. But inciting people and/or depicting people as terrorist only ends up bad and nothing's good ever comes out of it .

aikah 12y ago

> That said, someone explain to me how mocking people's beliefs brings positive change in this world. Nothing is sacred,that's the positive change to the world. Everybody will have, sooner or later, to acknowledge the fact that religions are no different from fairy tails.

ck2 12y ago
If we are going to dismember religions, let's first start with the largest that has done the most damage across the entire world. Then we can work our way down the list.
- aikah 12y ago
  and which one would it be? islam and christianity are pretty much on part when it comes to body count.Do you think muslims converted whole parts of the world peacefully?