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They are not racists, you are sadly misinformed. They criticized and made fun of misbehaviors in religious practices (like fanatics, people using their power, e

by louhike 12y ago

They are not racists, you are sadly misinformed. They criticized and made fun of misbehaviors in religious practices (like fanatics, people using their power, etc.). They had lawiers of North Africa origins (even though atheists) when they went to court because of drawings with Mahomet.

gizmo 12y ago
They most certainly used racist caricatures on a consistent basis. Of course it's tragic (and completely unacceptable) when people use violence to silence speech, but let's not whitewash Charlie Hebdo's islamophobic tendencies. For a more detailed argument see for instance this article: http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/ http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-char...
- Oletros 12y ago
  That article is nonsensical. Someone calling racism this: "Even in a fresh-off-the-press, glowing BBC profile of Charb, Hebdo’s murdered editor, he comes across as a racist asshole. Charb had strongly defended Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons featuring the Prophet Muhammad. “Muhammad isn’t sacred to me,” he told the Associated Press in 2012, after the magazine’s offices had been fire-bombed. “I don’t blame Muslims for not laughing at our drawings. I live under French law. I don’t live under Koranic law.” " is someone that doesn't know anything about racism And the "welfare queens" quote is really funny
nemo 12y ago
>They are not racists, you are sadly misinformed. I'm guessing you didn't really check carefully. They do mock Islam (and Judaism), and also publish flat-out racist cartoons. They're not mutually exclusive. They publish a lot of offensive cartoons, like the one linked to by the OP depicting Boko Haram sex slaves as welfare queens. They should be free to do that without getting murdered by fanatics.
- Oletros 12y ago
  > and also publish flat-out racist cartoons Then it will be easy to provide proof of that, isn't?
  - nemo 12y ago
    The one with the racist stereotype caricatures of pregnant women enslaved by Boko Haram saying "don't touch our welfare" seems pretty racist to me (the lame French play on words about child-benefits/wefare is revoltingly callous and mean-spirited). The huge-nosed Jews they feature with discussing Jews are completely racist as well.
    - Oletros 12y ago
      Perhaps you lack the context of that image but it is not racist, the contrary, they are criticising Boko Haram AND the French right wing anti immigrant. And now you will say that when they parody the rural French they are also racists.
      - nemo 12y ago
        And the Jews?
        Oletros 12y ago
        Are you aware that they use stereotypes to make the parody? Perhaps also you will find racist the caricature of Le Pen as a pig
        nemo 12y ago
        >Are you aware that they use stereotypes to make the parody? Yes, I see what they are doing. It's actually very common to use racist stereotypes in parody and satire. It's also still totally racist to draw huge nosed Jews (and huge-lipped black people). Drawing huge-nosed Jews in the context of criticizing Jews might be parody, but it's not some subtle ironic parody of right-wing ignorance, it's just a crass racist joke.

by louhike 12y ago

gizmo 12y ago

They most certainly used racist caricatures on a consistent basis. Of course it's tragic (and completely unacceptable) when people use violence to silence speech, but let's not whitewash Charlie Hebdo's islamophobic tendencies. For a more detailed argument see for instance this article: http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/ http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-char...

Oletros 12y ago
That article is nonsensical. Someone calling racism this: "Even in a fresh-off-the-press, glowing BBC profile of Charb, Hebdo’s murdered editor, he comes across as a racist asshole. Charb had strongly defended Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons featuring the Prophet Muhammad. “Muhammad isn’t sacred to me,” he told the Associated Press in 2012, after the magazine’s offices had been fire-bombed. “I don’t blame Muslims for not laughing at our drawings. I live under French law. I don’t live under Koranic law.” " is someone that doesn't know anything about racism And the "welfare queens" quote is really funny

nemo 12y ago

>They are not racists, you are sadly misinformed. I'm guessing you didn't really check carefully. They do mock Islam (and Judaism), and also publish flat-out racist cartoons. They're not mutually exclusive. They publish a lot of offensive cartoons, like the one linked to by the OP depicting Boko Haram sex slaves as welfare queens. They should be free to do that without getting murdered by fanatics.

Oletros 12y ago
> and also publish flat-out racist cartoons Then it will be easy to provide proof of that, isn't?
- nemo 12y ago
  The one with the racist stereotype caricatures of pregnant women enslaved by Boko Haram saying "don't touch our welfare" seems pretty racist to me (the lame French play on words about child-benefits/wefare is revoltingly callous and mean-spirited). The huge-nosed Jews they feature with discussing Jews are completely racist as well.
  - Oletros 12y ago
    Perhaps you lack the context of that image but it is not racist, the contrary, they are criticising Boko Haram AND the French right wing anti immigrant. And now you will say that when they parody the rural French they are also racists.
    - nemo 12y ago
      And the Jews?
      - Oletros 12y ago
        Are you aware that they use stereotypes to make the parody? Perhaps also you will find racist the caricature of Le Pen as a pig
        nemo 12y ago
        >Are you aware that they use stereotypes to make the parody? Yes, I see what they are doing. It's actually very common to use racist stereotypes in parody and satire. It's also still totally racist to draw huge nosed Jews (and huge-lipped black people). Drawing huge-nosed Jews in the context of criticizing Jews might be parody, but it's not some subtle ironic parody of right-wing ignorance, it's just a crass racist joke.