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Oh, look, someone who has proven that God doesn't exist. Please, post the proof for all of us to see.
by justathrow2k 12y ago
Oh, look, someone who has proven that God doesn't exist. Please, post the proof for all of us to see.
- jodrellblank 12y agoYou'll just have to take it on Faith.
- justathrow2k 12y agoI'd agree, it takes faith to know that there was no creator of the world, the same faith it takes to know there was. Just to clarify, I'm not arguing there's proof that 'God' does exist, I'm arguing there's no proof that 'God' doesn't exist. The original comparison falls short, the world can be proven to be round, not flat. edit: a thanks in advance to all you enlightened fervent atheists for the down votes.
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- cbd1984 12y agoAtheism isn't having faith there is no creator, it's having the intellectual curiosity to doubt the existence of a creator. Edited to be more honest.
- justathrow2k 12y agoIt only takes courage for those who live in areas that are indoctrinated with dense religious ideology's who will suffer consequences for their actions. For most in the western world, it is not such a hard thing to identify oneself with. edit: original response claimed it took courage to doubt the existence of a creator. It has since edited out to claim it simply takes intellectual curiosity. I would argue that the same intellectual curiosity could have the end result of someone having a belief in a singular creator of reality.
- cbd1984 12y ago> I would argue that the same intellectual curiosity could have the end result of someone having a belief in a singular creator of reality. Possible, but not likely, given how many intellectually curious people have independently reinvented atheism but no religion has been independently reinvented.
- justathrow2k 12y agoReligion and belief in a singular creator are not the same thing. Furthermore, I don't really believe you have any credible way of producing a valid number of 'intellectually curious' individuals who have made the choice to believe in a singular creator versus not. edit: misunderstanding of mutually exclusive and added some more words.
- marrs 12y agoIt's far more likely to be the other way round. Atheism was only really formed about 300 years ago, and by that time the world had been explored and the printing press had been invented. In contrast, all of the ancient religions, formed in completely disconnected continents, had the notion of a creator at their centre.
- cbd1984 12y ago> Atheism was only really formed about 300 years ago This denies the existence of Ancient Greek atheists, and people who were skeptical of religion in general before the modern era.
- bbcbasic 12y agoI think you mean agnostic not atheism then.
- cbd1984 12y agoNo. I'm atheist, and that is my worldview. Saying I'm wrong about my own philosophy is nonsensical. I'm also not alone: My definition of the word seems to be the most common one among the current atheist movement.
- cbd1984 12y agoAgnosticism is a belief that we can't possibly know whether there's a supernatural. I don't hold that view. My view is a skepticism of the supernatural, which is atheism.
- cbd1984 12y agoJust to clarify, atheism isn't a faith claim, it's a skepticism of faith claims.
- justathrow2k 12y agoJust to clarify, I never said atheism required faith. Please, read the comment you responded to.
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- cbd1984 12y agoThat isn't how I, or any atheists I know, define atheism.
- justathrow2k 12y agoJust to clarify, the original response was to the original posters claim that God does not exist. My request for him to present his proof to me was not meant as an open attack on atheism or even a critique of it, I was simply speaking to and about one persons beliefs. In any event, I begin to suspect I should have said nothing with this being such an emotional issue for people.
- cbd1984 12y agoI don't know why people would downvote this.
- jodrellblank 12y agoPossibly because you missed the sarcasm/joke nature of my comment and gave a serious reply. I wasn't defining atheism as faith in no-God. I was digging at the idea that someone would accept a claim on Faith, then demand evidence before giving up the idea, and how that is inconsistent. If someone can faith into an idea without evidence it should be equally easy to faith out of it with no evidence. That it's not easy, is interesting. Nothing -> belief in God, costs little and gains much. Belief in God -> no belief, costs much and gains little. Where by costs and gains, I include social acceptance, eternal life, favourable relations with a powerful being, forgiveness of sins, approved life habits, connections to history and social groups, etc. It's not a Boolean. Or at least, from inside a mind it doesn't feel like a Boolean.
- justathrow2k 12y agoI feel like its important to point out that having faith in a creator is not exclusive to having a belief in things like eternal life, favourable relations with a powerful being, etc. etc. People seem to easily conflate faith in a creator with practicing a mainstream religion. edit: I would also like to add, although I already said it, that I believe both of these opinions regarding the creator are acts of faith, to absolutely say there is not one and to absolutely say there is, and if someone where to have made a statement as if a creators existence was a sure thing I would have called them out just the same.
- a_dutch_guy 12y agoI would rather turn it around. You prove God exist.