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> "2/3 of the processor are dedicated for graphics" That makes me sad. I would like to see a desktop version that instead puts in more cores or whatever as whe

> "2/3 of the processor are dedicated for graphics" That makes me sad. I would like to see a desktop version that instead puts in more cores or whatever as when combined with any video card (GTX XXX or AMD XXX) 2/3 of the processor are simply not used!

i_am_ralpht 12y ago
Not me; I want a thin retina laptop with long battery life...
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  Agreed, Imagine an MBP in an Air form factor with the same battery life. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
  - morcheeba 12y ago
    All of the products on sale now are amazing - stop chasing that dragon :-) The latest Airs are way more powerful from the MBPs of yesterday.
- organsnyder 12y ago
  As long as "retina" means "high pixel density" and not necessarily an Apple product, how about the new Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-new-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-reignites-my-love-thinkpad-love-affair/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-new-lenovo-t...
  - TruthSHIFT 12y ago
    I'm under the impression that Apple is the only company with decent software support for "high pixel density." Is that not the case?
    - organsnyder 12y ago
      High-DPI PCs have been out for a couple of years. I don't have firsthand experience, but it's my understanding that while the Windows world had to play catch-up, it's fairly decent today. Linux support for high DPI varies depending on the desktop environment (I've heard it's abysmal to mediocre).
      - eldude 12y ago
        Windows support for high DPI (4k) is absolutely terrible! I recently tried setting up an MSI Ghost GS60 4k [1] for a client. By all means it was the greatest laptop I'd ever seen, until we came head-on with Windows 8's terrible (absolutely terrible) support for 4k screens. Scaling was inconsistent and several business applications did not scale at all, rendering them unusable with no viable alternative (apart from using an external monitor). [1] http://usgaming.msi.com/Product/2014/Notebook/GS60-Ghost/ http://usgaming.msi.com/Product/2014/Notebook/GS60-Ghost/
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    Oh wow, Lenovo finally got out of its own way. At least from a quick surface glance. I spent a few days looking for something for me to just type on. I gave up and got a new SSD for my X201 last night. But the heat is unmanageable (under warranty I had the fan replaced thrice, to no real avail). Still, one can hope this is a good sign and I'll be able to get a non-suck, non-Apple, 12 inch machine this year. Edit: Apparently it's a max of 8GB RAM which would be a huge sacrifice. FFS, Lenovo.
    - organsnyder 12y ago
      I'm still rocking my T410. With 8 GB of RAM and an SSD, it does quite well. However, I really want to get a lighter laptop with a high-DPI screen. Before Lenovo's recent announcements (the T-450 also looks quite good) I wasn't sure where to turn when my T410 no longer sufficed.
      - MichaelGG 12y ago
        Yeah the older ThinkPads are perfect if they just had a tech refresh. The screens are useless, and the limit on CPU and RAM in them hurts, too. I'm really annoyed. I went on to Lenovo right now to buy the new X1 - best news I've had all year. I go to select RAM, and it's capped at 8GB. Just to run my two dev machines I need at least 12GB (full Linux GUI + full Windows, dev setup in both). Pretty lame. (The new X250 is also capped at 8GB, doesn't offer a high-def screen. The new T450 fixes RAM, but apparently has only 1600x900 pixel screen, much less a proper 3K display. The T550 offers high-def screens, but has an offset keyboard. It's like Lenovo is just flailing around because there's no competition. ffs.) I might get it anyways as my secondary in-bed laptop just to jot notes and code on, but at $3000 ($3388 with 3yr warranty) properly kitted, I expect more.
        organsnyder 12y ago
        I've found 8GB to be acceptable for me, but it does seem strange that they would cap it at 8GB. And at this point, they should be offering high-DPI screens as an option on every ThinkPad model (or at least the T, X, and W series). My $400 phone should not have a better-looking screen than my $2000 laptop.
- gnopgnip 12y ago
  Have you seen the new xps13? 13.3in 3200x1800 screen, in an 11in form factor has been announced.
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    If they allow >8GB RAM and have a proper keyboard+trackpoint combo (with actual buttons instead of trying to copy's Apple's design) - sold.
listic 12y ago
Well, that's where the gains are still to be had (whether we want them or not).
theandrewbailey 12y ago
I'd rather have a better GPU than 6 more CPU cores that would always be idle. It's great that Intel is taking integrated GPUs this seriously. Also keep in mind that these are not desktop CPUs, but ultrabook class CPUs.
bdcs 12y ago
"dedicated for graphics" may be a bit misleading considering the Execution Units (EUs) also do non-graphics computations using, say, OpenCL. This is especially true with the shared memory structure. Although, yes, most end-user software doesn't support heterogenous computing well yet.
rincebrain 12y ago
They do. Check out, for instance, the i7-5820K/5930K/5960X (despite their names, those are Haswell though - Broadwell parts in that vein have, indeed, not been announced yet).
greggyb 12y ago
It's called a Xeon, and rest assured those will be coming as well.
- masklinn 12y ago
  Not even Xeon, 15W and 28W are mobile processors, not desktop.
  - greggyb 12y ago
    I understand that the chips mentioned in the article are for the ultrabook market. But Intel will roll out the 14nm architecture to its entire line. The comment I was responding to expressed a desire for no die space dedicated to graphics and perhaps a doubling of the cores. That is the recipe for a Xeon. The highest end i7s omit an iGPU as well, and go up to 8 cores currently, so I should have mentioned those as well, but a Xeon will go up to 18 (based on a quick check of their server CPU specs - I could have missed a larger one)[1]. [1]http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78583/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-v3-Family#@Server http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78583/Intel-Xeon-Proces...
masklinn 12y ago
> That makes me sad. I would like to see a desktop version And you will see it once desktop versions are released. TFA is about 15W and 28W notebook parts. Haswell's desktop TDPs start at 35W.

i_am_ralpht 12y ago

Not me; I want a thin retina laptop with long battery life...

Igglyboo 12y ago
Agreed, Imagine an MBP in an Air form factor with the same battery life. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
- morcheeba 12y ago
  All of the products on sale now are amazing - stop chasing that dragon :-) The latest Airs are way more powerful from the MBPs of yesterday.
organsnyder 12y ago
As long as "retina" means "high pixel density" and not necessarily an Apple product, how about the new Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-new-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-reignites-my-love-thinkpad-love-affair/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-new-lenovo-t...
- TruthSHIFT 12y ago
  I'm under the impression that Apple is the only company with decent software support for "high pixel density." Is that not the case?
  - organsnyder 12y ago
    High-DPI PCs have been out for a couple of years. I don't have firsthand experience, but it's my understanding that while the Windows world had to play catch-up, it's fairly decent today. Linux support for high DPI varies depending on the desktop environment (I've heard it's abysmal to mediocre).
    - eldude 12y ago
      Windows support for high DPI (4k) is absolutely terrible! I recently tried setting up an MSI Ghost GS60 4k [1] for a client. By all means it was the greatest laptop I'd ever seen, until we came head-on with Windows 8's terrible (absolutely terrible) support for 4k screens. Scaling was inconsistent and several business applications did not scale at all, rendering them unusable with no viable alternative (apart from using an external monitor). [1] http://usgaming.msi.com/Product/2014/Notebook/GS60-Ghost/ http://usgaming.msi.com/Product/2014/Notebook/GS60-Ghost/
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  Oh wow, Lenovo finally got out of its own way. At least from a quick surface glance. I spent a few days looking for something for me to just type on. I gave up and got a new SSD for my X201 last night. But the heat is unmanageable (under warranty I had the fan replaced thrice, to no real avail). Still, one can hope this is a good sign and I'll be able to get a non-suck, non-Apple, 12 inch machine this year. Edit: Apparently it's a max of 8GB RAM which would be a huge sacrifice. FFS, Lenovo.
  - organsnyder 12y ago
    I'm still rocking my T410. With 8 GB of RAM and an SSD, it does quite well. However, I really want to get a lighter laptop with a high-DPI screen. Before Lenovo's recent announcements (the T-450 also looks quite good) I wasn't sure where to turn when my T410 no longer sufficed.
    - MichaelGG 12y ago
      Yeah the older ThinkPads are perfect if they just had a tech refresh. The screens are useless, and the limit on CPU and RAM in them hurts, too. I'm really annoyed. I went on to Lenovo right now to buy the new X1 - best news I've had all year. I go to select RAM, and it's capped at 8GB. Just to run my two dev machines I need at least 12GB (full Linux GUI + full Windows, dev setup in both). Pretty lame. (The new X250 is also capped at 8GB, doesn't offer a high-def screen. The new T450 fixes RAM, but apparently has only 1600x900 pixel screen, much less a proper 3K display. The T550 offers high-def screens, but has an offset keyboard. It's like Lenovo is just flailing around because there's no competition. ffs.) I might get it anyways as my secondary in-bed laptop just to jot notes and code on, but at $3000 ($3388 with 3yr warranty) properly kitted, I expect more.
      - organsnyder 12y ago
        I've found 8GB to be acceptable for me, but it does seem strange that they would cap it at 8GB. And at this point, they should be offering high-DPI screens as an option on every ThinkPad model (or at least the T, X, and W series). My $400 phone should not have a better-looking screen than my $2000 laptop.
gnopgnip 12y ago
Have you seen the new xps13? 13.3in 3200x1800 screen, in an 11in form factor has been announced.
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  If they allow >8GB RAM and have a proper keyboard+trackpoint combo (with actual buttons instead of trying to copy's Apple's design) - sold.

listic 12y ago

Well, that's where the gains are still to be had (whether we want them or not).

theandrewbailey 12y ago

I'd rather have a better GPU than 6 more CPU cores that would always be idle. It's great that Intel is taking integrated GPUs this seriously. Also keep in mind that these are not desktop CPUs, but ultrabook class CPUs.

bdcs 12y ago

"dedicated for graphics" may be a bit misleading considering the Execution Units (EUs) also do non-graphics computations using, say, OpenCL. This is especially true with the shared memory structure. Although, yes, most end-user software doesn't support heterogenous computing well yet.

rincebrain 12y ago

They do. Check out, for instance, the i7-5820K/5930K/5960X (despite their names, those are Haswell though - Broadwell parts in that vein have, indeed, not been announced yet).

greggyb 12y ago

It's called a Xeon, and rest assured those will be coming as well.

masklinn 12y ago
Not even Xeon, 15W and 28W are mobile processors, not desktop.
- greggyb 12y ago
  I understand that the chips mentioned in the article are for the ultrabook market. But Intel will roll out the 14nm architecture to its entire line. The comment I was responding to expressed a desire for no die space dedicated to graphics and perhaps a doubling of the cores. That is the recipe for a Xeon. The highest end i7s omit an iGPU as well, and go up to 8 cores currently, so I should have mentioned those as well, but a Xeon will go up to 18 (based on a quick check of their server CPU specs - I could have missed a larger one)[1]. [1]http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78583/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-v3-Family#@Server http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78583/Intel-Xeon-Proces...

masklinn 12y ago

> That makes me sad. I would like to see a desktop version And you will see it once desktop versions are released. TFA is about 15W and 28W notebook parts. Haswell's desktop TDPs start at 35W.