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I don't know why you keep pasting that Wikipedia link. It even says that this story is false and fabricated.

by azth 12y ago

waps 12y ago
I must have missed that part of it. It contains some apologia, but it also contains links to the primary sources. Look up what those sources are. Furthermore, this is a standard part of islamic law (killing for criticism). Do you dispute that as well ? Plus muhammad had over a dozen poets executed, as well as entire camps of people suspected merely of leaving his army. Are you going to call all of it false ? Famously he had a tribe massacred, including women and children because one woman in it refused to marry one of his soldiers. I don't get how anyone can defend this monster.
- azth 12y ago
  > but it also contains links to the primary sources. Look up what those sources are. I have looked up more sources in Arabic (not mentioned on the Wikipedia page). There is practically a universal consensus among scholars that the narrations of this incident are fabricated, based on analyzing the chain of narration (all contain known liars and fabricators). > Furthermore, this is a standard part of islamic law (killing for criticism). Do you dispute that as well ? Yes. The religion is open to criticism. Show me where it says otherwise. > Plus muhammad had over a dozen poets executed, as well as entire camps of people suspected merely of leaving his army... Famously he had a tribe massacred... Citation needed. Again, it's not about being "famous" or not, it's about whether a certain narration conforms to the very rigorous standards that have been set in examining such accounts, not to mention other approaches to determine authenticity. Otherwise, anybody can say anything (e.g. all four Bibles have anonymous authors). Each particular incident must be examined to see what exactly happened, instead of throwing blanket statements like this.
  - waps 12y ago
    > Yes. The religion is open to criticism. Show me where it says otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy I find it hard to believe you're somehow not aware of this. Are you serious.
    - dang 12y ago
      Religious flamewars are not ok on Hacker News. We've already asked you to stop. Please stop now.

I don't know why you keep pasting that Wikipedia link. It even says that this story is false and fabricated.

by azth 12y ago

I don't know why you keep pasting that Wikipedia link. It even says that this story is false and fabricated.

waps 12y ago

I must have missed that part of it. It contains some apologia, but it also contains links to the primary sources. Look up what those sources are. Furthermore, this is a standard part of islamic law (killing for criticism). Do you dispute that as well ? Plus muhammad had over a dozen poets executed, as well as entire camps of people suspected merely of leaving his army. Are you going to call all of it false ? Famously he had a tribe massacred, including women and children because one woman in it refused to marry one of his soldiers. I don't get how anyone can defend this monster.

azth 12y ago
> but it also contains links to the primary sources. Look up what those sources are. I have looked up more sources in Arabic (not mentioned on the Wikipedia page). There is practically a universal consensus among scholars that the narrations of this incident are fabricated, based on analyzing the chain of narration (all contain known liars and fabricators). > Furthermore, this is a standard part of islamic law (killing for criticism). Do you dispute that as well ? Yes. The religion is open to criticism. Show me where it says otherwise. > Plus muhammad had over a dozen poets executed, as well as entire camps of people suspected merely of leaving his army... Famously he had a tribe massacred... Citation needed. Again, it's not about being "famous" or not, it's about whether a certain narration conforms to the very rigorous standards that have been set in examining such accounts, not to mention other approaches to determine authenticity. Otherwise, anybody can say anything (e.g. all four Bibles have anonymous authors). Each particular incident must be examined to see what exactly happened, instead of throwing blanket statements like this.
- waps 12y ago
  > Yes. The religion is open to criticism. Show me where it says otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy I find it hard to believe you're somehow not aware of this. Are you serious.
  - dang 12y ago
    Religious flamewars are not ok on Hacker News. We've already asked you to stop. Please stop now.